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I have been hearing this far too frequently over the past week on radio and TV. 1/3 of the average NFL roster turns over each year. He is in year 3. Maybe Elmhurst Steve and Nas could give me a little help on the math here but shouldn't that mean this is his roster.

It is more than reasonable to overhaul a bad NFL team in three years. He took over a .500 team.

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Throwing away an entire draft except for a single pick is more than enough to start asking questions on Emery's performance. Not sure why this is an issue for some.

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GD, you're blaming Emery for a team that has yet to play a regular season game? I guess the preseason really does matter.

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GD, you're blaming Emery for a team that has yet to play a regular season game? I guess the preseason really does matter.


Well he botched his first draft. Catastrophic failure only partially mitigated by Jeffery. Oversaw the destruction of a first class defensive and ST unit.

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Also not sure why denisdman seems to think God is blaming Emery before the season even started.

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GD, you're blaming Emery for a team that has yet to play a regular season game? I guess the preseason really does matter.


blame AND praise. I'm not in blaming mode. I am reacting to the absolution I have heard over the past week or so from more than one outlet.

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veganfan21 wrote:
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GD, you're blaming Emery for a team that has yet to play a regular season game? I guess the preseason really does matter.


Well he botched his first draft. Catastrophic failure only partially mitigated by Jeffery. Oversaw the destruction of a first class defensive and ST unit.


The second draft doesn't look particularly stellar either.

Long is good, but as I have said all along, a good guard is not all that impactful. There are lots of questions about the two LB. Mills is a starter only out of necessity. Washington is a fringe player who may not make the roster. Wilson looks good but is all of 1 catch into his career.

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GD, you're blaming Emery for a team that has yet to play a regular season game? I guess the preseason really does matter.


Well he botched his first draft. Catastrophic failure only partially mitigated by Jeffery. Oversaw the destruction of a first class defensive and ST unit.


The second draft doesn't look particularly stellar either.

Long is good, but as I have said all along, a good guard is not all that impactful. There are lots of questions about the two LB. Mills is a starter only out of necessity. Washington is a fringe player who may not make the roster. Wilson looks good but is all of 1 catch into his career.


Agreed. The guy was brought in to draft better and he's perpetuated the draft failures of the guy he replaced. And the progress on offense is wiped out by the regression on defense and special teams.

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The celebration of the Long pick is still wrong. A scrap guy like Slauson has been more than serviceable and he's only 2 (!) years older than Long.

Positions of greater need were available:
CB: Rhodes, Trufant
S: Elam, Cyprien
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LB: Ogletree
TE: Eifert

If Emery really wanted a guard then David DeCastro was staring him in the face in the 2012 draft but instead went with Shea. Oof.


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The celebration of the Long pick is still wrong. A scrap guy like Slauson has been more than serviceable and he's only 2 (!) years older than Long.

Positions of greater need were available:
CB: Rhodes, Trufant
S: Elam, Cyprien
DT: Floyd
LB: Ogletree
TE: Eifert

If Emery really wanted a guard then David DeCastro was staring him in the face in the 2012 draft but instead went with Shea. Oof.


long is still raw... he has the physical tools to be a premier LT

emery's downfall may be the idiots he let trestman hire at Defensive and Special teams coordinators (combined with WAY too many 30+ year old players)


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Kirkwood wrote:
The celebration of the Long pick is still wrong. A scrap guy like Slauson has been more than serviceable and he's only 2 (!) years older than Long.

Positions of greater need were available:
CB: Rhodes, Trufant
S: Elam, Cyprien
DT: Floyd
LB: Ogletree
TE: Eifert

If Emery really wanted a guard then David DeCastro was staring him in the face in the 2012 draft but instead went with Shea. Oof.


The new coaching staff seemed to want a guard. But I agree with your point that the pick was pretty dumb, like most things about Emery.

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The celebration of the Long pick is still wrong. A scrap guy like Slauson has been more than serviceable and he's only 2 (!) years older than Long.

Positions of greater need were available:
CB: Rhodes, Trufant
S: Elam, Cyprien
DT: Floyd
LB: Ogletree
TE: Eifert

If Emery really wanted a guard then David DeCastro was staring him in the face in the 2012 draft but instead went with Shea. Oof.


long is still raw... he has the physical tools to be a premier LT

emery's downfall may be the idiots he let trestman hire at Defensive and Special teams coordinators (combined with WAY too many 30+ year old players)


Trestman hired idiots because he is a bit of an idiot.

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Kirkwood wrote:
The celebration of the Long pick is still wrong. A scrap guy like Slauson has been more than serviceable and he's only 2 (!) years older than Long.

Positions of greater need were available:
CB: Rhodes, Trufant
S: Elam, Cyprien
DT: Floyd
LB: Ogletree
TE: Eifert

If Emery really wanted a guard then David DeCastro was staring him in the face in the 2012 draft but instead went with Shea. Oof.


even better, he could have moved up in the second in 2013 to draft that guy out of Kentucky

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The Bears moved a GM out because of his poor drafting ability. They fired a head coach who was a genius in coaching one side of the ball but who was poor at hiring subordinates who could cover the other side whom he remained loyal to beyond the point of reasonableness.

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The Bears moved a GM out because of his poor drafting ability. They fired a head coach who was a genius in coaching one side of the ball but who was poor at hiring subordinates who could cover the other side whom he remained loyal to beyond the point of reasonableness.

I think you're implying this anyway, but starting to look like Trestman might be more clueless with Defense than Lovie with Offense


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i think the root of the problem lies with not blowing up this listing barge of tallow when took over as tugboat captain.

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GD, you're blaming Emery for a team that has yet to play a regular season game? I guess the preseason really does matter.


blame AND praise. I'm not in blaming mode. I am reacting to the absolution I have heard over the past week or so from more than one outlet.




Agreed, I heard the same things from Hub, THIS is Emery's team...he constructed this..Hub and many others act as if he took over 3 months ago.

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I have been hearing this far too frequently over the past week on radio and TV. 1/3 of the average NFL roster turns over each year. He is in year 3. Maybe Elmhurst Steve and Nas could give me a little help on the math here but shouldn't that mean this is his roster.

It is more than reasonable to overhaul a bad NFL team in three years. He took over a .500 team.


Does 1+1=2? YES OR NO?

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Why does Hub protect Emery?

I thought he hated all things Bears?


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Oversaw the destruction of a first class defensive and ST unit.
I'm not saying Emery is 100% innocent, but the defense was old and would like have regressed under anybody-- even Lovie.

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I have been hearing this far too frequently over the past week on radio and TV. 1/3 of the average NFL roster turns over each year. He is in year 3. Maybe Elmhurst Steve and Nas could give me a little help on the math here but shouldn't that mean this is his roster.

It is more than reasonable to overhaul a bad NFL team in three years. He took over a .500 team.


Does 1+1=2? YES OR NO?


That calls for an opinion outside of my area of expertise.

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None of this is to say I am down on the Bears, Emery or Trestman.

I do not want a situation where there is lack of accountability again.

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None of this is to say I am down on the Bears, Emery or Trestman.

I do not want a situation where there is lack of accountability again.


They appear to have enough talent on defense to be successful.

If they are not, then Mel will be somewhere else next year and Trestman's seat will be very warm.

I'm not holding my breath about the defense.

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They look good on the corners and line of the defense.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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Oversaw the destruction of a first class defensive and ST unit.
I'm not saying Emery is 100% innocent, but the defense was old and would like have regressed under anybody-- even Lovie.


Yes age was an issue but that was a high functioning unit just one year prior for a 10-6 team. Going from good to horrible in one off season is not regression but an utter collapse. I believe Lovie's defenses always had a a certain floor...even when not good like following the superbowl you know what to expect performance wise every week. I have no idea what was on the field last year. It certainly wasn't a pro defense like we have been accustomed to for some time now.

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Oversaw the destruction of a first class defensive and ST unit.
I'm not saying Emery is 100% innocent, but the defense was old and would like have regressed under anybody-- even Lovie.


Yes age was an issue but that was a high functioning unit just one year prior for a 10-6 team. Going from good to horrible in one off season is not regression but an utter collapse. I believe Lovie's defenses always had a a certain floor...even when not good like following the superbowl you know what to expect performance wise every week. I have no idea what was on the field last year. It certainly wasn't a pro defense like we have been accustomed to for some time now.


The injuries, combined with age, led to the collapse last year.

That unit was in decline.

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They look good on the corners and line of the defense.


I would agree with you.

My concern is the scheme he plans to utilize. And we really will not find out during the pre-season what that is. The Bears had some good pressure at times on Wilson.

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Seacrest is correct. The injuries, and age, was a perfect storm to made that defense putrid.

I will say this. Lovie's team definitely would have picked up Aaron Rodger's passfumble in the final game.

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