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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:58 pm 
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No HC in history has ever gone to the SB with 3 different teams. The only guy who came close to doing it was Parcells with the 98 Jets. Parcells won 2 SBs before he went to NE/NYJ/DAL, Fox has not. Fox reminds me a lot of Fisher, a very good defensive coach. He won't rebuild this team, he'll try to salvage what's here. That means more Cutler. I've had enough of him. Look at the final drive of that 2010 week 17 game vs the Packers. Cutler led the team down the field but eventually gave up a red zone INT. Inconsistent QBs like Flacco and Eli Manning show up in big moments like that. Cutler, with his great arm is in the end just stylishly average.

Fox also isn't a roster builder like Schottenheimer, Holmgren, or Parcells. Each of those guys found talent on their 2nd/3rd teams. That SB team was packed with talent from the Seifert era. The list of 2003 Panthers who were picked during the Campo/Seifert era include: Steve Smith, Muhsin Muhammad, Dan Morgan, Mike Rucker, Deon Grant, Kris Jenkins, and Mike Minter. Can anyone name a great player that developed under John Fox? He inherited the 2nd pick to get Peppers who a big reason why Seifert was awful in 2001 because Weinke was his QB, he got rid of Burlein too early.


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No HC in history has ever gone to the SB with 3 different teams. The only guy who came close to doing it was Parcells with the 98 Jets. Parcells won 2 SBs before he went to NE/NYJ/DAL, Fox has not. Fox reminds me a lot of Fisher, a very good defensive coach. He won't rebuild this team, he'll try to salvage what's here. That means more Cutler. I've had enough of him. Look at the final drive of that 2010 week 17 game vs the Packers. Cutler led the team down the field but eventually gave up a red zone INT. Inconsistent QBs like Flacco and Eli Manning show up in big moments like that. Cutler, with his great arm is in the end just stylishly average.

Fox also isn't a roster builder like Schottenheimer, Holmgren, or Parcells. Each of those guys found talent on their 2nd/3rd teams. That SB team was packed with talent from the Seifert era. The list of 2003 Panthers who were picked during the Campo/Seifert era include: Steve Smith, Muhsin Muhammad, Dan Morgan, Mike Rucker, Deon Grant, Kris Jenkins, and Mike Minter. Can anyone name a great player that developed under John Fox? He inherited the 2nd pick to get Peppers who a big reason why Seifert was awful in 2001 because Weinke was his QB, he got rid of Burlein too early.


Thank you! Great post! People need to dig deeper.

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No HC in history has ever gone to the SB with 3 different teams. The only guy who came close to doing it was Parcells with the 98 Jets. Parcells won 2 SBs before he went to NE/NYJ/DAL, Fox has not. Fox reminds me a lot of Fisher, a very good defensive coach. He won't rebuild this team, he'll try to salvage what's here. That means more Cutler. I've had enough of him. Look at the final drive of that 2010 week 17 game vs the Packers. Cutler led the team down the field but eventually gave up a red zone INT. Inconsistent QBs like Flacco and Eli Manning show up in big moments like that. Cutler, with his great arm is in the end just stylishly average.

Fox also isn't a roster builder like Schottenheimer, Holmgren, or Parcells. Each of those guys found talent on their 2nd/3rd teams. That SB team was packed with talent from the Seifert era. The list of 2003 Panthers who were picked during the Campo/Seifert era include: Steve Smith, Muhsin Muhammad, Dan Morgan, Mike Rucker, Deon Grant, Kris Jenkins, and Mike Minter. Can anyone name a great player that developed under John Fox? He inherited the 2nd pick to get Peppers who a big reason why Seifert was awful in 2001 because Weinke was his QB, he got rid of Burlein too early.

Von Miller and Chris Harris Jr. are pretty talented.


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 Post subject: Re: Don't Hire Fox
PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:15 pm 
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ontherealnnow wrote:
No HC in history has ever gone to the SB with 3 different teams. The only guy who came close to doing it was Parcells with the 98 Jets. Parcells won 2 SBs before he went to NE/NYJ/DAL, Fox has not. Fox reminds me a lot of Fisher, a very good defensive coach. He won't rebuild this team, he'll try to salvage what's here. That means more Cutler. I've had enough of him. Look at the final drive of that 2010 week 17 game vs the Packers. Cutler led the team down the field but eventually gave up a red zone INT. Inconsistent QBs like Flacco and Eli Manning show up in big moments like that. Cutler, with his great arm is in the end just stylishly average.

Fox also isn't a roster builder like Schottenheimer, Holmgren, or Parcells. Each of those guys found talent on their 2nd/3rd teams. That SB team was packed with talent from the Seifert era. The list of 2003 Panthers who were picked during the Campo/Seifert era include: Steve Smith, Muhsin Muhammad, Dan Morgan, Mike Rucker, Deon Grant, Kris Jenkins, and Mike Minter. Can anyone name a great player that developed under John Fox? He inherited the 2nd pick to get Peppers who a big reason why Seifert was awful in 2001 because Weinke was his QB, he got rid of Burlein too early.


Thank you! Great post! People need to dig deeper.


I'd also say that while Belichick is an all-time great coach, he isn't the GOAT talent evaluator writers say he is.He took a flyer on Brady in the 6th round. I remember watching that 2001 SB when i was a kid. I still can't believe how much poise he played with.

Here's a list of Patriots picked by Parcells from 1993-6.

Drew Bledsoe, Adam Vinatierri, Tedy Bruschi, Ted Johnson, Troy Brown, Curtis Martin, Ty Law, Lawyer Malloy, Willie McGinest., Terry Glenn.

And a few of his finds in Dallas.

Tony Romo, Demarcus Ware, Jason Witten, Terrence Newnan.


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I give Belichick all the credit for Brady. He carried 4 QBs because he saw his talent. Beyond that I generally agree about his talent evaluation.

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Forte is 29 now, Cutler will be 32, and Marshall will be 31 starting next yr too. Marshall's game is all based on physicality, he's not as talented a route runner as someone like T.O. We need to restart. This team isn't built to win now.

We need to start picking more QBs in rounds 1-4. People hated Angelo but Grossman/Orton both played 10 seasons in the NFL.


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Forte is 29 now, Cutler will be 32, and Marshall will be 31 starting next yr too. Marshall's game is all based on physicality, he's not as talented a route runner as someone like T.O. We need to restart. This team isn't built to win now.

We need to start picking more QBs in rounds 1-4. People hared Angelo but Grossman/Orton both played 10 seasons in the NFL.


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Nas wrote:
ontherealnnow wrote:
Forte is 29 now, Cutler will be 32, and Marshall will be 31 starting next yr too. Marshall's game is all based on physicality, he's not as talented a route runner as someone like T.O. We need to restart. This team isn't built to win now.

We need to start picking more QBs in rounds 1-4. People hared Angelo but Grossman/Orton both played 10 seasons in the NFL.


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Nas wrote:
ontherealnnow wrote:
Forte is 29 now, Cutler will be 32, and Marshall will be 31 starting next yr too. Marshall's game is all based on physicality, he's not as talented a route runner as someone like T.O. We need to restart. This team isn't built to win now.

We need to start picking more QBs in rounds 1-4. People hared Angelo but Grossman/Orton both played 10 seasons in the NFL.


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