Greatest leadoff hitter of all time. Not open for debate.

Greatest leadoff hitter of all time. Not open for debate.

I was too young to really know. Raines is not in the argument?

Can we debate whether he was on roids/hgh?

I was too young to really know. Raines is not in the argument?

Sure, but unlike 70's Steelers/80's Bears linemen (or many retired MLB players), he's still about the same body type/size as he was when he played. And he never had outlandish body growth during his career.

Same with Mark McGwire.

OK, but McGwire was rail thin until he mushroomed & developed an amazing amount of acne.

Same with Mark McGwire.

Ok, but so did Rickey. Look at his Rookie body. Then look at his body a few years later. The guy was built like a tank and had horrible skin.

Was he the greatest leadoff man ever? Yes. Was he on steroid like everyone else on the A's? Most likely.

He had a big assed rock knot head in '79-80, about roughly the same size he had 15-20 years later. I won't give him the complete benefit of the doubt, but to gain 25-30 lbs isn't exactly shocking between the ages of 20 and 34, nor will anyone here on the old side of 35 (or 45).

And as great as he was, unlike say Brady Anderson or Luis Gonzalez, he never hit more than 28-30HRs in any season. And again, his great SB years were before '89.

He lead the league in SB at age 39.

He was going to lead the league just because he ran so much. He wasn't as good a base stealer as Willie Wilson or Raines.

Yeah, while hitting .236 and with only 66 steals.

Come on JORR. He has 600 more SBs than Raines and 700 more than Wilson. It is not even close. Dude had 1400 steals. How can he not be the best?

66 steals would have led the league or been right near the top in almost every year since then.

You pick and choose stats, physical traits, physical growth and say they don't indicate steroids. Yet, if you apply the same ideas to Sosa and McGwire they indicate steroid use. Could they gain 25-30 lbs of muscle between ages 20 and 34? Sure. Could they still hit 40 HR's but only hit .240? Sure.

In my opinion, looking at Rickey's physical stature only, I do not think a guy in his later years has a body like his. Not even football players that age looked like him. And as far as his late 80's years, I can't help but feel that around the same time his body started resembling a tank was about the same time as his legendary roider teammate McGwire and Canseco.

I think you could say he is like Jeff Bagwell in his physique and career arc as well. And many people believe Bagwell was on the juice.

He was going to lead the league just because he ran so much. He wasn't as good a base stealer as Willie Wilson or Raines.

Raines is at 85%

Wilson is at 83%

Henderson is at 81%

Not that much difference. With 1400 SBs and a 81% success rate he is the best.

Besides, if you follow your logic then Carlos Beltran is the best base stealer of all time with 88%

"How you doin"

Playing Pai Gow at the Venetian, he is playing 15$ all day. Has enough gold on him to be worth $500K right there, so dont think he is broke.

As I would ask with any player "Mind if I sit down>" he says No, please do...

recognized him pretty quick and said "Thanks Mr Henderson"

He was Born in Chicago. Moved when he was young doesnt remember anything about Chicago as a kid.

Obviously, Carlos Beltran is a great base stealer. It's hard to argue that 81% is better than 88%, isn't it?