"How you doin"

Playing Pai Gow at the Venetian, he is playing 15$ all day. Has enough gold on him to be worth $500K right there, so dont think he is broke.

As I would ask with any player "Mind if I sit down>" he says No, please do...

recognized him pretty quick and said "Thanks Mr Henderson"

He was Born in Chicago. Moved when he was young doesnt remember anything about Chicago as a kid.

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Awesome. One of my favorite players as a kid. One of, if not the, greatest base stealer of all time.

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Greatest leadoff hitter of all time. Not open for debate.

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Can we debate whether he was on roids/hgh?

I was too young to really know. Raines is not in the argument?

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He should be careful with that gambling; he doesn't know when it is time to stop playing.

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Raines was good. Henderson was great.

Biggie, did Rickey mock you for being fat like he did shakes?

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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Sure, but unlike 70's Steelers/80's Bears linemen (or many retired MLB players), he's still about the same body type/size as he was when he played. And he never had outlandish body growth during his career.

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Believe it or not, no. Not even in the same ballpark.

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Same with Mark McGwire.

OK, but McGwire was rail thin until he mushroomed & developed an amazing amount of acne.

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Ok, but so did Rickey. Look at his Rookie body. Then look at his body a few years later. The guy was built like a tank and had horrible skin.

Was he the greatest leadoff man ever? Yes. Was he on steroid like everyone else on the A's? Most likely.

Huh?

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Except that unlike Mac & others, his career numbers fell off dramatically his last 7-8 years & most of his great years occurred before returning to the A's in 88-89, and he had roughly the same build & hat size before that time. (And put up his HOF #s during that period)

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He had a big assed rock knot head in '79-80, about roughly the same size he had 15-20 years later. I won't give him the complete benefit of the doubt, but to gain 25-30 lbs isn't exactly shocking between the ages of 20 and 34, nor will anyone here on the old side of 35 (or 45).

And as great as he was, unlike say Brady Anderson or Luis Gonzalez, he never hit more than 28-30HRs in any season. And again, his great SB years were before '89.

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He lead the league in SB at age 39.

Yeah, while hitting .236 and with only 66 steals.

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He was going to lead the league just because he ran so much. He wasn't as good a base stealer as Willie Wilson or Raines.

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Come on JORR. He has 600 more SBs than Raines and 700 more than Wilson. It is not even close. Dude had 1400 steals. How can he not be the best?

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66 steals would have led the league or been right near the top in almost every year since then.

You pick and choose stats, physical traits, physical growth and say they don't indicate steroids. Yet, if you apply the same ideas to Sosa and McGwire they indicate steroid use. Could they gain 25-30 lbs of muscle between ages 20 and 34? Sure. Could they still hit 40 HR's but only hit .240? Sure.

In my opinion, looking at Rickey's physical stature only, I do not think a guy in his later years has a body like his. Not even football players that age looked like him. And as far as his late 80's years, I can't help but feel that around the same time his body started resembling a tank was about the same time as his legendary roider teammate McGwire and Canseco.

I think you could say he is like Jeff Bagwell in his physique and career arc as well. And many people believe Bagwell was on the juice.

Because he got caught so much more. You have to look at the value of a steal and the risk/reward of the attempt. The value of the overall output by Raines and Wilson is greater than that of Henderson. I'm not saying those guys were better players obviously, but they were more efficient base stealers.

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Raines is at 85%

Wilson is at 83%

Henderson is at 81%

Not that much difference. With 1400 SBs and a 81% success rate he is the best.

Besides, if you follow your logic then Carlos Beltran is the best base stealer of all time with 88%

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He played for 8 teams in his last 10 years. He was largely a journeyman OF living off of his reputation and unlike the steroid monsters. There was nothing outstanding, nor particularly implying steroid use. He topped out at 28 HRs and 33 2Bs for any single season output ('90 ), hardly indicative of steroid use...or really great (steroid induced) power. "Tank" is a bit much. He had large legs, but he had those as a 20 yr. old rookie.

He was/appears to still be cut, but he still wasn't small as a rookie. He was a HS football player who had spent long hours in the weight room & should have been/was cut.

As for Bagwell, I never really had the occasion to follow his career, but I know he had a helluva lot more power and retired under a cloud of allegations, unlike Rickey.

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Why is that funny? Are you really suggesting getting caught at a higher rate is a good thing?

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Obviously, Carlos Beltran is a great base stealer. It's hard to argue that 81% is better than 88%, isn't it?

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If I had to decide whether Henderson used something or not and the penalty for being wrong was death, I would say he had. In any case, I'm just judging the guy on what he did on the field, and there was a time there when I considered him the best player in the game. Still, he was selfish player in that he often ran when there was little to no benefit to his team.

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Great story. Too bad all the douchebags ruined your thread.

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JORR no way in any universe do I believe that you really think Beltran is the best base stealer of all time.

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