Anyone supporting laws making it ILLEGAL TO FEED HUNGRY PEOPLE is a fucking asshole.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/26/us/as ... ef=us&_r=0

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I would say the bigger problem is how poor of a job our government does in handling the homeless but I'm sure you would get mad at me for saying they should do more.

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Maybe this is a bit outside the box but I think the homeless problem is a symptom of our poor record of treating mental illness.
Fix that and the homeless problem will greatly diminish.

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It's scary how many people are just a few non-paychecks away from being homeless. It is much more than drunken derelicts and junkies.

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I wouldn't get mad but I don't agree.

Surely we can both agree though that a good start would be to not make it illegal for the private sector to feed them.

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They need more facilities than just feeding them. Both sides have a point here.

I'd prefer people do it not the gov.

If the private sector does it and does it better, then government would be unnecessary. We can't have that.

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It's not making it illegal. It's saying you can't turn public places into makeshift homeless shelters. The private sector can purchase or rent whatever they want to feed them. I know it is heartless but I think any of us would struggle with having a huge line of homeless people right outside your house all the time.
The private sector does a horrible job too. This is one of the examples that is terrible for the "small government" movement.

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Fuck you Ronald Reagan.

Why do you say private sector charites/churches/food banks etc. do a horrible job?

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It's a massive problem in the United States. Imagine if the government didn't do anything. It would be even worse. The private sector could step in now if they wanted.

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That's not outside the box. That is the box.

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Nothing you said points to the horrible job the private sector does in managing the resources it has. The government throws trillions at this problem, yet, it's still there. You think the private sector may be able to manage those trillions more efficiently with better results? I do.

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Imagine if the private sector didn't do anything.

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That's part of it. Substance abuse is an issue. My uncle was homeless for a year or two, but the really sad thing is he chose it.

For some, it is a lifestyle choice. Life is all about what you want.

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I'm confused. I thought the private sector meant no government involvement? How is the private sector getting those trillions of dollars?
Both the public and private sectors fail here. It would be even worse if either did a worse job.

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The trillions came from the private sector.

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It's not the governments money. It's the people's money. They only have what they take from us. The wealth the government transfers comes from somewhere, no? That's not counting the fiat funds just printed willy nilly.
If we were taxed less, maybe we would donate more. I know I would.

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I would guess that most of the money would either be kept or donated to more "fun charities".

I know when I got a tax cut or a stimulus check I didn't donate it to charity. I doubt Mr. Reason did either.

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I'm sorry money has to be taken from you in order for to be given to the less fortunate.
You know nothing about me or my charitable contributions. Let me put so even you can understand it. If a person allocates a certain percentage of their after tax income to charitable donations, wouldn't it stand to "Reason" said donations would increase commensurate with the increase of after tax income?

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This.

So you donate based on the amount of taxes you pay in a given year? I would guess that is a very small amount of people who do that.

No, people are greedy. If someone pays less in taxes than they expected I highly doubt they immediately transfer it to charity. They keep it and either save it or buy something else with it.

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This is one of the main ideas argued in Daniel Patrick Moynihan's (in)famous article "Defining Deviancy Down"--that is, the de-institutionalization movement of the late 60s created a homeless epidemic with which society has grown "comfortable."

While Moynihan's analysis is incomplete and inadequate on many levels, there's still a lot of truth to it.

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I can see the point the homeowners make about this problem. Having a bunch of filthy,mentally ill individuals (many of the homeless fall into this category) living in your neighborhood-perhaps in your bushes, does nothing to help property values. Nor does it improve one's quality of life. They don't really want them there. Can't blame them. But everyone has gotten used to expecting the government to step in and help everyone. That's why we have a national debt in the trillions. It should be expected that these people would be helped by their families. But they often CHOOSE to live on the streets instead, because they are alcoholics and drug addicts, who are self medicating mental illnesses. The Government is not the answer to every problem and can't afford to be spending more money on these people. If the people that collect and distribute this food can find a building somewhere (abandoned warehouse for example) that the owner will allow to be used to distribute the food....problem solved. It's easy to rail against the residents who complain about people far less fortunate. But unless you have had to deal with such a situation every day for years, it's hard to really understand their position. I don't see this as being as simple as the rich rejecting the presence of the poor unwashed masses.

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