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How willing are you are extreme hypocrite to discuss instances of other nations that comment human rights atrocities? I dare say not. The NBA flag waves over issues that effect Americans. I don't recall instances of them commenting about abuses that occur in other nations.

As previously stated this was done at an ownership and not player level. They made the call as to what Silver had to say.


The right to openly express your mind about human rights abuses is not an American issue?

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How willing are you are extreme hypocrite to discuss instances of other nations that comment human rights atrocities? I dare say not. The NBA flag waves over issues that effect Americans. I don't recall instances of them commenting about abuses that occur in other nations.

As previously stated this was done at an ownership and not player level. They made the call as to what Silver had to say.


The right to openly express your mind about human rights abuses is not an American issue?


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I agree with your sentiment here, it still doesn't acknowledge that you happily moved to a state largely dependent on the Chinese government. Bash tech/media/entertainment companies all you'd like, you live someplace that is kind of ground zero for creating the kleptocracy that is our worst trading power and I've never heard you once criticize your home state's patron.

But get hot and bothered enough to post when it's the NBA?


If you live in Arkansas, do not speak about the NBA.


Non sequitur alert!


That's literally what you said. And instead you try to blur it. Don't speak about the NBA without discussing Arkansas first. The thread is about the NBA. It's a bullshit argument.


First, it's apparent that you have no idea of the meaning of the word "literally". To no one's surprise. And since you want to play board asshat (as usual), I'm only suggesting consistency. Something you display around here only when three particular posters have the temerity to post in threads like these. Although I'm sure that you'd prefer describing it as their arrogance.

Perhaps you can do us all a favor and go play in traffic, or just leave the board again because you can't use certain words around here. Ever notice how virtually everyone else here can have earnest disagreements without exposing their a-hole tendencies in every thread? Except guys like you. And then
you whine about it.


Posters can clearly see who is being dishonest and an asshole in this thread. The bolded part is where you said it.

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What argument are you making? Activist players who are protesting things in America that I don't care about also aren't protesting something in China that I don't care about? Your fragile ego is bruised whenever your opinion is challenged in any way. Instead of making an argument you resort to accusing someone of saying something that they've literally never said or false claims to the gallery that someone is labeling you. Anything to distract.


1) The same argument many others in this thread are making. You have a league that often claims to be a force for progress and many voices that are supposedly so progressive, yet when one of their colleagues expresses support for people in Hong Kong being crushed under the heel of a dictator's boot, those voices are suddenly silent and the league issues what amounts to an admonishment to the GM and an apology for the totalitarian state.

2) You're not challenging my opinion. You're insulting me and calling me a bigot. That doesn't really upset me. Unlike you I understand I can't control the thoughts of others. You're going to think what you want to think whether I like it or not. That's fine. But don't pretend you're doing anything here other than name-calling.

3) I will ask you to stop telling me what I do and don't care about.


All this happens to be is a silly attempt at a gotcha moment for people that couldn't care less about the NBA.


I disagree. It happens to be the NBA, which admittedly I care little about, but if MLB did the same thing I would find it just as distasteful, perhaps more so. The NBA's flag-waving on social issues, makes it seem more hypocritical than if another league took the same position. We don't play in Carolina because of bathrooms but we have no probably partnering with China while they shoot people in the streets of Hong Kong. You really don't think that's something worth discussing?


How willing are you are extreme hypocrite to discuss instances of other nations that comment human rights atrocities? I dare say not. The NBA flag waves over issues that effect Americans. I don't recall instances of them commenting about abuses that occur in other nations.

As previously stated this was done at an ownership and not player level. They made the call as to what Silver had to say.


You make a good point and I will admit I can be as hypocritical as anyone. Nobody thinks about the plight of the people that assembled the iPhone they just bought.

But this is right out there for everyone to see. And the apology in Chinese is a very bad look, especially for a league that wants to be seen as being on the cutting edge of [social] justice.

And I haven't said anything about the players outside of mentioning LeBron and a couple of coaches who are always eager to voice an opinion on social issues. I don't think it's imperative for an NBA player to take an interest in what's happening in Hong Kong.

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What argument are you making? Activist players who are protesting things in America that I don't care about also aren't protesting something in China that I don't care about? Your fragile ego is bruised whenever your opinion is challenged in any way. Instead of making an argument you resort to accusing someone of saying something that they've literally never said or false claims to the gallery that someone is labeling you. Anything to distract.


1) The same argument many others in this thread are making. You have a league that often claims to be a force for progress and many voices that are supposedly so progressive, yet when one of their colleagues expresses support for people in Hong Kong being crushed under the heel of a dictator's boot, those voices are suddenly silent and the league issues what amounts to an admonishment to the GM and an apology for the totalitarian state.

2) You're not challenging my opinion. You're insulting me and calling me a bigot. That doesn't really upset me. Unlike you I understand I can't control the thoughts of others. You're going to think what you want to think whether I like it or not. That's fine. But don't pretend you're doing anything here other than name-calling.

3) I will ask you to stop telling me what I do and don't care about.


All this happens to be is a silly attempt at a gotcha moment for people that couldn't care less about the NBA.


I disagree. It happens to be the NBA, which admittedly I care little about, but if MLB did the same thing I would find it just as distasteful, perhaps more so. The NBA's flag-waving on social issues, makes it seem more hypocritical than if another league took the same position. We don't play in Carolina because of bathrooms but we have no probably partnering with China while they shoot people in the streets of Hong Kong. You really don't think that's something worth discussing?


As you and many others often and proudly proclaim: this, nor bathrooms in Carolina don't affect your life one bit, you will be fine. But it is peculiar that your moral indignation is in full display over this. Do you want points for pointing out hypocrisy in American business? The well runs deep there and I'd hazard a guess that every member of this board has experienced or engaged in it. Should we be sjw ranting about it all here too?

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How willing are you are extreme hypocrite to discuss instances of other nations that comment human rights atrocities? I dare say not. The NBA flag waves over issues that effect Americans. I don't recall instances of them commenting about abuses that occur in other nations.

As previously stated this was done at an ownership and not player level. They made the call as to what Silver had to say.


Huh? This is blind rage posting without any logic. Don't discuss the NBA in an negative light because it's none of your business. Interesting philosophical knot to tie yourself into.

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Catching people/companies/sports leagues in hypocrisy is great.

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Nas wrote:
What argument are you making? Activist players who are protesting things in America that I don't care about also aren't protesting something in China that I don't care about? Your fragile ego is bruised whenever your opinion is challenged in any way. Instead of making an argument you resort to accusing someone of saying something that they've literally never said or false claims to the gallery that someone is labeling you. Anything to distract.


1) The same argument many others in this thread are making. You have a league that often claims to be a force for progress and many voices that are supposedly so progressive, yet when one of their colleagues expresses support for people in Hong Kong being crushed under the heel of a dictator's boot, those voices are suddenly silent and the league issues what amounts to an admonishment to the GM and an apology for the totalitarian state.

2) You're not challenging my opinion. You're insulting me and calling me a bigot. That doesn't really upset me. Unlike you I understand I can't control the thoughts of others. You're going to think what you want to think whether I like it or not. That's fine. But don't pretend you're doing anything here other than name-calling.

3) I will ask you to stop telling me what I do and don't care about.


All this happens to be is a silly attempt at a gotcha moment for people that couldn't care less about the NBA.


I disagree. It happens to be the NBA, which admittedly I care little about, but if MLB did the same thing I would find it just as distasteful, perhaps more so. The NBA's flag-waving on social issues, makes it seem more hypocritical than if another league took the same position. We don't play in Carolina because of bathrooms but we have no probably partnering with China while they shoot people in the streets of Hong Kong. You really don't think that's something worth discussing?


As you and many others often and proudly proclaim: this, nor bathrooms in Carolina don't affect your life one bit, you will be fine. But it is peculiar that your moral indignation is in full display over this. Do you want points for pointing out hypocrisy in American business? The well runs deep there and I'd hazard a guess that every member of this board has experienced or engaged in it. Should we be sjw ranting about it all here too?


See my post above.

And I will point out that reading between the lines here you seem desperate to somehow find a way to blame this on Donald Trump. You'll be fine too.

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What argument are you making? Activist players who are protesting things in America that I don't care about also aren't protesting something in China that I don't care about? Your fragile ego is bruised whenever your opinion is challenged in any way. Instead of making an argument you resort to accusing someone of saying something that they've literally never said or false claims to the gallery that someone is labeling you. Anything to distract.


1) The same argument many others in this thread are making. You have a league that often claims to be a force for progress and many voices that are supposedly so progressive, yet when one of their colleagues expresses support for people in Hong Kong being crushed under the heel of a dictator's boot, those voices are suddenly silent and the league issues what amounts to an admonishment to the GM and an apology for the totalitarian state.

2) You're not challenging my opinion. You're insulting me and calling me a bigot. That doesn't really upset me. Unlike you I understand I can't control the thoughts of others. You're going to think what you want to think whether I like it or not. That's fine. But don't pretend you're doing anything here other than name-calling.

3) I will ask you to stop telling me what I do and don't care about.


When I clicked on the thread this morning the first thing I saw was your post criticizing LeBron and others for left wing talking points. That post made it fairly clear that you didn't really care about the issue outside of attacking people who are fighting against things that have an impact on their community or their players. If you can't see the difference between LeBron talking about Trayvon Martin and him speaking out about China I don't know what to tell you. The league has ALWAYS only cared about their bottom line. They caved to the pressure of their best player in his prime and they caved to their biggest market

I challenged your opinion and you didn't take it well. As usual you resorted to some of your usual attempts to distract.

You have a posting history. It's not hard to figure out what you think or what your tendencies are. Attack anyone who ever attacks the president.

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How willing are you are extreme hypocrite to discuss instances of other nations that comment human rights atrocities? I dare say not. The NBA flag waves over issues that effect Americans. I don't recall instances of them commenting about abuses that occur in other nations.

As previously stated this was done at an ownership and not player level. They made the call as to what Silver had to say.


The right to openly express your mind about human rights abuses is not an American issue?


I'm merely pointing out that they tend to be rather provincial when it comes to that. If the NBA or its players were ever really all that concerned about international politics then they would not have gone out of their way to be "Global". There is no way that they would be able to become the international brand that they have become if they'd taken to sticking their collective noses into the affairs of other countries.

I just find it interesting (and quite hypocritical) that the same group that is so quick to throw around phrases and terms such as "Virtue signaling" "SJW" and victim are now the ones bashing them because they decided to abstain rather than engage by use of the various tactics which they often decry.

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All this happens to be is a silly attempt at a gotcha moment for people that couldn't care less about the NBA.


I disagree. It happens to be the NBA, which admittedly I care little about, but if MLB did the same thing I would find it just as distasteful, perhaps more so. The NBA's flag-waving on social issues, makes it seem more hypocritical than if another league took the same position. We don't play in Carolina because of bathrooms but we have no probably partnering with China while they shoot people in the streets of Hong Kong. You really don't think that's something worth discussing?


As you and many others often and proudly proclaim: this, nor bathrooms in Carolina don't affect your life one bit, you will be fine. But it is peculiar that your moral indignation is in full display over this. Do you want points for pointing out hypocrisy in American business? The well runs deep there and I'd hazard a guess that every member of this board has experienced or engaged in it. Should we be sjw ranting about it all here too?


See my post above.

And I will point out that reading between the lines here you seem desperate to somehow find a way to blame this on Donald Trump. You'll be fine too.


Fine, but LTG is correct in calling this what it is, a silly attempt at a gotcha moment. And for the record, I didn't bring that joke into this, but your own between the lines' work is amusing.

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How willing are you are extreme hypocrite to discuss instances of other nations that comment human rights atrocities? I dare say not. The NBA flag waves over issues that effect Americans. I don't recall instances of them commenting about abuses that occur in other nations.

As previously stated this was done at an ownership and not player level. They made the call as to what Silver had to say.


Huh? This is blind rage posting without any logic. Don't discuss the NBA in an negative light because it's none of your business. Interesting philosophical knot to tie yourself into.



I already have discussed the NBA in a negative light in this very thread. Its sort of difficult (due to your stereotypical nature) to ever grasp the complexities and nuances of any argument. Its why you always resort to generalizations and misrepresentations. Nothing that you post is ever relevant to the actual topic at hand. I actually think that you believe that it constitutes some sort of skill. Skill of the truly idiotic if anything.

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"Like the NBA, we welcome the Chinese censors into our homes and into our hearts. We too love money more than freedom and democracy. Xi doesn't look like Winnie the Poo at all. Tune into our 300th episode the Wednesday at 10 p.m. Long live the great Communist Party of China. May the autumn's sorghum harvest be bountiful. We good now China?"

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Catching people/companies/sports leagues in hypocrisy is great.

It was the backbone of one of the best bits on sports radio.

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All this happens to be is a silly attempt at a gotcha moment for people that couldn't care less about the NBA.


I disagree. It happens to be the NBA, which admittedly I care little about, but if MLB did the same thing I would find it just as distasteful, perhaps more so. The NBA's flag-waving on social issues, makes it seem more hypocritical than if another league took the same position. We don't play in Carolina because of bathrooms but we have no probably partnering with China while they shoot people in the streets of Hong Kong. You really don't think that's something worth discussing?


As you and many others often and proudly proclaim: this, nor bathrooms in Carolina don't affect your life one bit, you will be fine. But it is peculiar that your moral indignation is in full display over this. Do you want points for pointing out hypocrisy in American business? The well runs deep there and I'd hazard a guess that every member of this board has experienced or engaged in it. Should we be sjw ranting about it all here too?


See my post above.

And I will point out that reading between the lines here you seem desperate to somehow find a way to blame this on Donald Trump. You'll be fine too.


Fine, but LTG is correct in calling this what it is, a silly attempt at a gotcha moment. And for the record, I didn't bring that joke into this, but your own between the lines' work is amusing.



By inference i take it that the other sports leagues are to be commended because they aren't interested in becoming "SJWs"

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I already have discussed the NBA in a negative light in this very thread. Its sort of difficult (due to your stereotypical nature) to ever grasp the complexities and nuances of any argument. Its why you always resort to generalizations and misrepresentations. Nothing that you post isever relevant to the actual topic at hand.


This is a simple case. The NBA pushes itself as the league that cares about "social justice", which is fine when that means players wearing hoodies that are likely to earn them praise in the media.

The NBA banned the word owner, and later condemned an employee for speaking up to support democracy and rule of law. It shows the shallowness of their beliefs. That's all. Saying the NBA dropped the ball on this is not an attack on NBA fans.

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LeBron would speak out on behalf of freedom but he really wants to sell China a game show where people put on velcro suits and get pushed down hills or something.

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CCP has an itchy trigger finger. Shutting down the NBA after one already on his way out the door GM with fewer twitter followers than the average G-League player was hasty. Chairman Mao would've sat back a bit, let some players and other NBA execs tweet their allegiance and then pounced and cleaned house.


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CCP has an itchy trigger finger. Shutting down the NBA after one already on his way out the door GM with fewer twitter followers than the average G-League player was hasty. Chairman Mao would've sat back a bit, let some players and other NBA execs tweet their allegiance and then pounced and cleaned house.


His pre-pubescent girlfriends would have enjoyed that.

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I already have discussed the NBA in a negative light in this very thread. Its sort of difficult (due to your stereotypical nature) to ever grasp the complexities and nuances of any argument. Its why you always resort to generalizations and misrepresentations. Nothing that you post isever relevant to the actual topic at hand.


This is a simple case. The NBA pushes itself as the league that cares about "social justice", which is fine when that means players wearing hoodies that are likely to earn them praise in the media.

The NBA banned the word owner, and later condemned an employee for speaking up to support democracy and rule of law. It shows the shallowness of their beliefs. That's all. Saying the NBA dropped the ball on this is not an attack on NBA fans.


History has shown that they care about social justice. Its not that they "push" themselves as the social justice league and no one said anything about their fans.

The NBA has been a forerunner on a number of issues. They didn't have to put safeguards in regarding "minority candidate interviewing" nor did they have issues with blacks not being allowed to play certain positions.

It bothers some people for some reason that they take positions on certain issues

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CCP has an itchy trigger finger. Shutting down the NBA after one already on his way out the door GM with fewer twitter followers than the average G-League player was hasty. Chairman Mao would've sat back a bit, let some players and other NBA execs tweet their allegiance and then pounced and cleaned house.


His pre-pubescent girlfriends would have enjoyed that.


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That takes some serious stones. #1 2020 Dead Pool draftee.

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The NBA has already done more to nudge China toward Western liberal democratic values than all the other American companies that do business with China combined. You're not gonna turn China from an authoritarian dictatorship to Massachusetts overnight. Well, maybe Massachusetts, buncha closet pinko commies in that state. "China is assho" but cutting off economic ties isn't going to make them less assholish (e.g., North Korea). Can't be a trojan horse for democracy/freedom/human rights if you roll up taking shots.


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Enes Kanter is outspoken as well.

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Hussra wrote:
The NBA has already done more to nudge China toward Western liberal democratic values than all the other American companies that do business with China combined. You're not gonna turn China from an authoritarian dictatorship to Massachusetts overnight. Well, maybe Massachusetts, buncha closet pinko commies in that state. "China is assho" but cutting off economic ties isn't going to make them less assholish (e.g., North Korea). Can't be a trojan horse for democracy/freedom/human rights if you roll up taking shots.

It is not possible to have a mutually beneficial or even cooperative relationship with China. It needs to be broken up and contained. Nudging them towards western values is not a fix.


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Antarctica wrote:
Hussra wrote:
The NBA has already done more to nudge China toward Western liberal democratic values than all the other American companies that do business with China combined. You're not gonna turn China from an authoritarian dictatorship to Massachusetts overnight. Well, maybe Massachusetts, buncha closet pinko commies in that state. "China is assho" but cutting off economic ties isn't going to make them less assholish (e.g., North Korea). Can't be a trojan horse for democracy/freedom/human rights if you roll up taking shots.

It is not possible to have a mutually beneficial or even cooperative relationship with China. It needs to be broken up and contained. Nudging them towards western values is not a fix.


Also, how has China changed at all since tuning into the NBA? It's ridiculous to say the NBA has nudged anything.

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