DOJ seems to have too wide of a range in their powers without many strict parameters. Also, they seem to use it to get around double jeopardy a lot.

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they really fucked up if they are going after not bad guys because, as you say they don't have the time, inclination, manpower, or desire to try cases they are going to lose.

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I would think he was a predator, preying on young and impressionable boys. I think most would still agree with that.

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It's funny,because about 5 years ago or so,I heard he was a Wrestling Coach in HS & my first thought was molester. Do normal guys ever run for office?

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exactly. wrestling is creepy. who the hell would want to do it, let alone watch youngsters do it.

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Clearly that's the popular opinion. But we don't really know.

Also, and the last time I offered a opinion similar to this I was called a pedophile by the biggest asshole on the board, I'm not sure I'd call an older guy who has a consensual relationship with a 17 or 18 year old a predator. I sure don't think he should be teaching in our schools, but I don't think it's a capital crime either. I think in this case people find the homosexual factor "creepy". If it were a woman nailing a 17 or 18 year boy, she'd get a slap on the wrist and there would be a lot of winking and a bunch of guys on this board would say shit like, "I wish there were teachers like that when I was in school!"

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At what age do you find Hastert's behavior predatory?

As a parent, a predator is a predator. Their sexuality is secondary. It happened in our school district and the female offender spent 6 years in prison for it.

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I don't know. As I said, I think the fact that it's a student and he's a high school teacher makes it inappropriate regardless of the student's age. But relationships between professors and college students have always been common. That's certainly an unequal relationship, but if there are no other factors, e.g. an effect on grades, etc., I wouldn't call that predatory. That Laura Kipnis article that caused all the hubbub at NU is about that subject. At some point a child has to become an adult. We can send an 18 year old to get his head blown off in Iraq, but he can't make his own call on whether to fuck a 40 year old?

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JORR is obviously pandering for votes in the NAMBLA "Man of the Year" contest.

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Always good to see you, Sarley!

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Same here, Rodney!

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Apparently, this weirdo was taking guys on diving trips as part of some Explorers club. There's the potential for a full on Sandusky thing here, but I wouldn't accuse the guy of that without any evidence.

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He'll have his time in court, but **I PREDICT** there will be no shortage of victims coming out as this rolls on.

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JORR you are a student of human nature. What do you THINK was going on here? remember this is not a court of law. Just guys bullshitting and giving their opinions. Hastert will have his day in court, no doubt with an excellent team of lawers. Maybe even Good Dolphin.

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Hard to imagine that this case will ever get near a courtroom. He's probably already packing his bags for Camp Eglin in Florida. Once the national security implications are thoroughly exposed, we'll know who Individual A is and it will all come out.

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I think he had a consensual relationship(s) with a guy(s) he taught in high school. I don't think it scarred Individual A in any way. In fact I think he was happily and anonymously enjoying his millions until this story broke.

Like I said, I certainly think such a relationship between a student and a teacher is inappropriate. But whether and to what degree it is or should be criminal, I don't know.

Over time we've come to treat teenagers as if they are babies. In fact, today's 30 year old is like a 14 year old in 1970 and like an 8 year old in 1880. In the 70s a 17 year old was a few weeks away from Vietnam.

I would suggest that there is a huge difference between a 17 year old Seacrest who would be married with an army of children just a few years later and a 17 year old IMU, for example. And that isn't a criticism of IMU. It just is what it is. I actually argued with my cousin the other day. He is an older father (late 40s) of a seven year old. He actually thinks a kid shouldn't be allowed to walk alone to his local park until he's 13. I had an entire life outside of the purview of my parents when I was 11 or 12.

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yeah, I don't see how we could come to like minds on this situation. I think Hastert could have very possibly ruined this kid's life. He could have tried to save this kid's life, but instead pushed him off the cliff. He'll burn in hell. Or freeze. Whichever it is in hell.

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Consensual


Dude was a scout leader , rasslin coach and around young boys for many years . I kinda agree with your cousin , there are so many creeps today looking for an opportunity ..the country has changed..its not 1969 anymore .

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A coach having a sexual relationship with anyone at the age of 14, let alone someone under his direction, is no less depraved now than it was in 1970. Male or female. And your life outside of the purview of your parents highlights the fact that most kids are unable to fend for themselves today and are less likely to be able to handle an adult grooming then. Add this to the fact that our society treats sexual activity in the same way others treat exercise and the atmosphere today has far more potential for harm.

I used to take the El downtown when I was 8 years old. I'd have to be comatose to let my son do that now. And just because a 17 year old is a few weeks away from war doesn't make them capable of handling it.

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A kid died of AIDS after he was molested at 14. Possibly???

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well, others would say he was doomed before 14, so you might as well fuck him when you've got the chance.

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Again, you're jumping to a lot of conclusions without facts here. You have no idea when or even if he had sexual realtionships with anyone and you certainly don't know how old they were at the time. It might be just like Sandusky, but you're acting as if that's an absloute fact.

Do you think it was safer to ride the El when you were 8 or now?

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Possible. But as you previously suggested we're all just speculating, guys bullshitting on a message board. What we do know for a fact is that the guy was getting paid a lot and he wasn't complaining to anyone about Denny Hastert. Right?

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Would your opinion be different if it was a female cheerleading coach and the quarterback?

And my cousin is just wrong. It's far safer to have his kid walk to the park than it was for me in 1970. We used to think there was Stranger Danger. Now we know the real danger is uncles and stepfathers. There simply isn't an epidemic of strangers molesting kids they don't know.

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I had much the same discussion with family & friends this weekend. The only counter-point that I might agree on is.....if a bank is raising questions about large & consistent cash withdrawals.....Then the Feds are made aware, and guess what? Feds want their tax money. So If I legitimately withdraw $100K of my own cash...and do so multiple times....Should be fine,....but if I take that cash and pay for services or goods (no puns or innuendo intended) to other individuals or companies....The feds want their cut. I have paid contractors and others a cash price before. I understand your point and tend to agree.

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Maybe I'm wrong, I'm just picturing Hastert as a scout leader with 9 and 10 year old boys in his tent or sleeping bag..those kids in his community wrestled for him in h.s. ..but the dye was cast .

I guess it depends what park and what neighborhood , I had free run as a kid pretty much ..walked or biked all over , walked to grade school n h.s. but my sisters had a shorter leash . I do look at differently if it were a woman and a boy as ya said .

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HELLO!

I guess someone has to champion the cause of pedophiles and predators.

Have you missed the numerous stories in recent years involving female teachers diddling students?

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I have. I've also read snickering comments in this very forum and I've seen those females get slapped on the wrist, often with no jail time at all.

And I'm not defending Hastert. I'm just not condemning him without facts. It's gone from him possibly having a single relationship with a person to whom he gave money to speculation about him sharing sleeping bags with nine year olds.

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The L was safer when I was a kid.

Steve Reibolt is dead. His relationship with Hastert had a profound effect on him.

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But the statistics really don't support that statement.




Are you blaming Hastert because the guy got AIDS. Really?

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