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Hunter had no role in government so maybe the circle is the same without hypocrisy.

I'm more goofing on how you pretend that Joes was just a hapless fool while Hunter peddled influence right under his nose with no knowledge of it whatsoever.

You aren't doing a good job of it then.

Nobody likes being made fun of, it's alright.

But it's just a terrible job of it. Hunter sold his last name for profit. It's different than Musk who didn't need to sell his last name for profit. Musk seems to have much stranger motivations for this crusade against park rangers and Wisconsin Supreme Court people.

You're focusing on the Hunter part, stop focusing on that part. The joke is that people like you are so desperate to believe that Elon is a villain only out to enrich himself, so cutting USAID must be done with his benefit in mind, but with Joe Biden you looked for any and every reason not to believe that he was a treacherous leech taking a cut off his son trafficking in the Biden name, including denying the direct benefit given to his son by how Joe conducted foreign policy in Ukraine and the direct payments made from his son's entity directly to Joe's bank account.


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Hunter had no role in government so maybe the circle is the same without hypocrisy.

I'm more goofing on how you pretend that Joes was just a hapless fool while Hunter peddled influence right under his nose with no knowledge of it whatsoever.

You aren't doing a good job of it then.


Dude, it’s been years now. There is no way a guy as smart as you seem to be believes Hunter and Joe were not up to shenanigans.

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Bernstein gets fired and suddenly the board has another austerity freak. If there was any causality to this, I hope the rest of the airstaff stays there forever.


Does it makes sense to worry about "austerity" when we are 35+ trillion dollars in debt?

I asked earlier what anyone's solution to this debt crisis is. You haven't expressed one. I'd be happy to hear it if you have a better answer. Sincerely.

Or are you of the belief that we can just continue the way we currently do things forever?

I've seen you make references to wealth inequality, yet the things you seem to be advocating for are the primary drivers of wealth inequality. There are plenty of resources out there that can explain it better than I can. And if I misunderstand your position, please correct me.

As someone else noted in the thread, what is happening now basically is "taxing the rich" in the form of asset deflation. This is beneficial to the lower classes because it strengthens the dollar and makes their wages more valuable. It will also afford them the opportunity to purchase assets at lower prices.

All government debt spending is a redistribution of wealth from the bottom to the top. COVID measures were the largest upward transfer of wealth in human history, despite the fact that part of it was sent as checks to all Americans (and plenty of non-Americans, I'm sure).


Here is your answer. The USA will never pay off this debt. The deficit will be managed as a line item forever or eventually they will say fuck off we are not paying.

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To those who are somehow "against" what he is doing or don't like the way he's doing it, what is your alternative plan? Hyperinflation? The wealth gap continuing to grow even more than it is now?

There seems to be an assumption that we can just continue on like this forever, but we can't. This is a fact.

Currency debasement and inflation have destroyed most civilizations that have existed.

The idea that this hurts "unemployment" numbers is totally backwards. By that logic, why don't we just employ every person in the country by the federal government?

Regardless of political ideology, what we are doing right now is not sustainable. The federal government can't be a jobs program, and our debt is an existential crisis.

The debt also continues to facilitate an upward redistribution of resources from the lower classes to the wealthy. We are at a point where .1% of the population owns more resources than the bottom half. This is almost exclusively due to debt spending and the Federal Reserve.

At some point, the whole thing will break.

So what is the alternative?


Aren't entitlements and defense spending far and away the biggest federal expenditures? Wouldn't any meaningful deficit reduction plan have to make cuts in both those areas?


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To those who are somehow "against" what he is doing or don't like the way he's doing it, what is your alternative plan? Hyperinflation? The wealth gap continuing to grow even more than it is now?

There seems to be an assumption that we can just continue on like this forever, but we can't. This is a fact.

Currency debasement and inflation have destroyed most civilizations that have existed.

The idea that this hurts "unemployment" numbers is totally backwards. By that logic, why don't we just employ every person in the country by the federal government?

Regardless of political ideology, what we are doing right now is not sustainable. The federal government can't be a jobs program, and our debt is an existential crisis.

The debt also continues to facilitate an upward redistribution of resources from the lower classes to the wealthy. We are at a point where .1% of the population owns more resources than the bottom half. This is almost exclusively due to debt spending and the Federal Reserve.

At some point, the whole thing will break.

So what is the alternative?


Aren't entitlements and defense spending far and away the biggest federal expenditures? Wouldn't any meaningful deficit reduction plan have to make cuts in both those areas?


Yeah just look around here. Entitlement cuts are popular.

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Hunter sold his last name for profit.


Why do you persist with so many phony narratives? He sold a hell of a lot more than that. He sold his daddy's ability to fire the prosecutor who was busting up the company that hired him. "Well, sonuvabitch..." What the Bidens did is treasonous. And a pre-dementia Joe was a key player. Hunter was just a bagman.


BUT MUSK!

Yet no one ever found any evidence besides Joe Biden being so dumb to brag about it to reporters.

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rajingsoul wrote:
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Bernstein gets fired and suddenly the board has another austerity freak. If there was any causality to this, I hope the rest of the airstaff stays there forever.


Does it makes sense to worry about "austerity" when we are 35+ trillion dollars in debt?

I asked earlier what anyone's solution to this debt crisis is. You haven't expressed one. I'd be happy to hear it if you have a better answer. Sincerely.

Or are you of the belief that we can just continue the way we currently do things forever?

I've seen you make references to wealth inequality, yet the things you seem to be advocating for are the primary drivers of wealth inequality. There are plenty of resources out there that can explain it better than I can. And if I misunderstand your position, please correct me.

As someone else noted in the thread, what is happening now basically is "taxing the rich" in the form of asset deflation. This is beneficial to the lower classes because it strengthens the dollar and makes their wages more valuable. It will also afford them the opportunity to purchase assets at lower prices.

All government debt spending is a redistribution of wealth from the bottom to the top. COVID measures were the largest upward transfer of wealth in human history, despite the fact that part of it was sent as checks to all Americans (and plenty of non-Americans, I'm sure).


Here is your answer. The USA will never pay off this debt. The deficit will be managed as a line item forever or eventually they will say fuck off we are not paying.


You know the old saying, "When a guy owes you $20,000, he's in trouble; when he owes you $20 million, you're in trouble." That's the current relationship between the U.S. and China.

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Brick wrote:
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Hunter sold his last name for profit.


Why do you persist with so many phony narratives? He sold a hell of a lot more than that. He sold his daddy's ability to fire the prosecutor who was busting up the company that hired him. "Well, sonuvabitch..." What the Bidens did is treasonous. And a pre-dementia Joe was a key player. Hunter was just a bagman.


BUT MUSK!

Yet no one ever found any evidence besides Joe Biden being so dumb to brag about it to reporters.



"Besides" doing some HEAVY lifting. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Brick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Brick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Brick wrote:
Hunter had no role in government so maybe the circle is the same without hypocrisy.

I'm more goofing on how you pretend that Joes was just a hapless fool while Hunter peddled influence right under his nose with no knowledge of it whatsoever.

You aren't doing a good job of it then.

Nobody likes being made fun of, it's alright.

But it's just a terrible job of it. Hunter sold his last name for profit. It's different than Musk who didn't need to sell his last name for profit. Musk seems to have much stranger motivations for this crusade against park rangers and Wisconsin Supreme Court people.

You're focusing on the Hunter part, stop focusing on that part. The joke is that people like you are so desperate to believe that Elon is a villain only out to enrich himself, so cutting USAID must be done with his benefit in mind, but with Joe Biden you looked for any and every reason not to believe that he was a treacherous leech taking a cut off his son trafficking in the Biden name, including denying the direct benefit given to his son by how Joe conducted foreign policy in Ukraine and the direct payments made from his son's entity directly to Joe's bank account.

Good pivot from your flawed point.

But Elon isn't doing this for profit which makes it even stranger.

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Warren Newson wrote:
rajingsoul wrote:
To those who are somehow "against" what he is doing or don't like the way he's doing it, what is your alternative plan? Hyperinflation? The wealth gap continuing to grow even more than it is now?

There seems to be an assumption that we can just continue on like this forever, but we can't. This is a fact.

Currency debasement and inflation have destroyed most civilizations that have existed.

The idea that this hurts "unemployment" numbers is totally backwards. By that logic, why don't we just employ every person in the country by the federal government?

Regardless of political ideology, what we are doing right now is not sustainable. The federal government can't be a jobs program, and our debt is an existential crisis.

The debt also continues to facilitate an upward redistribution of resources from the lower classes to the wealthy. We are at a point where .1% of the population owns more resources than the bottom half. This is almost exclusively due to debt spending and the Federal Reserve.

At some point, the whole thing will break.

So what is the alternative?


Aren't entitlements and defense spending far and away the biggest federal expenditures? Wouldn't any meaningful deficit reduction plan have to make cuts in both those areas?


They're two of the biggest, and defense spending should absolutely have cuts, but I believe HHS has an even larger budget than the DoD, despite the country getting much less healthy over the past few decade. And there are some other massive departments as well.

I personally would like to see all of the intelligence agencies drastically reduced and to create some sort of state-led coalition for national law enforcement.

The CIA would be a bit tougher since they're international. There is just so much duplication between all these agencies, and they're all totally corrupt. They have been since their inception.

Entitlements are their own thing. Those are bankrupt too. We could probably make them solvent in a number of different ways, but there is no way they can remain as is because there aren't enough working people to support the retirees. They've talked about raising the retirement age, raising the contribution cap, or transferring to some type of different system altogether.

The politicians have stolen from the entitlement programs too. It's all a mess.


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pittmike wrote:
Brick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Brick wrote:
Hunter had no role in government so maybe the circle is the same without hypocrisy.

I'm more goofing on how you pretend that Joes was just a hapless fool while Hunter peddled influence right under his nose with no knowledge of it whatsoever.

You aren't doing a good job of it then.


Dude, it’s been years now. There is no way a guy as smart as you seem to be believes Hunter and Joe were not up to shenanigans.

I said from the beginning that Hunter was shady. He sold the appearance of power because of his last name.

They didn't even get Hunter on it. They got him on a tax charge and lying on a government form about drug use. They got Joe for nothing. At some point you have to accept that there wasn't anything on Joe Biden. Blame all the people with rock solid evidence that failed to use it effectively if you want.

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pittmike wrote:
rajingsoul wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
Bernstein gets fired and suddenly the board has another austerity freak. If there was any causality to this, I hope the rest of the airstaff stays there forever.


Does it makes sense to worry about "austerity" when we are 35+ trillion dollars in debt?

I asked earlier what anyone's solution to this debt crisis is. You haven't expressed one. I'd be happy to hear it if you have a better answer. Sincerely.

Or are you of the belief that we can just continue the way we currently do things forever?

I've seen you make references to wealth inequality, yet the things you seem to be advocating for are the primary drivers of wealth inequality. There are plenty of resources out there that can explain it better than I can. And if I misunderstand your position, please correct me.

As someone else noted in the thread, what is happening now basically is "taxing the rich" in the form of asset deflation. This is beneficial to the lower classes because it strengthens the dollar and makes their wages more valuable. It will also afford them the opportunity to purchase assets at lower prices.

All government debt spending is a redistribution of wealth from the bottom to the top. COVID measures were the largest upward transfer of wealth in human history, despite the fact that part of it was sent as checks to all Americans (and plenty of non-Americans, I'm sure).


Here is your answer. The USA will never pay off this debt. The deficit will be managed as a line item forever or eventually they will say fuck off we are not paying.


World-class economist Paul Krugman says we could just mint a coin worth $36 billion and use that to pay off the debt.

I can't believe no one ever thought of that! What could go wrong?


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Brick wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Brick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Brick wrote:
Hunter had no role in government so maybe the circle is the same without hypocrisy.

I'm more goofing on how you pretend that Joes was just a hapless fool while Hunter peddled influence right under his nose with no knowledge of it whatsoever.

You aren't doing a good job of it then.


Dude, it’s been years now. There is no way a guy as smart as you seem to be believes Hunter and Joe were not up to shenanigans.

I said from the beginning that Hunter was shady. He sold the appearance of power because of his last name.

They didn't even get Hunter on it. They got him on a tax charge and lying on a government form about drug use. They got Joe for nothing. At some point you have to accept that there wasn't anything on Joe Biden. Blame all the people with rock solid evidence that failed to use it effectively if you want.

Tucker Carlson had rock solid evidence.

Then he put the only copy in a UPS box and lost it.

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Brick wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Brick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Brick wrote:
Hunter had no role in government so maybe the circle is the same without hypocrisy.

I'm more goofing on how you pretend that Joes was just a hapless fool while Hunter peddled influence right under his nose with no knowledge of it whatsoever.

You aren't doing a good job of it then.


Dude, it’s been years now. There is no way a guy as smart as you seem to be believes Hunter and Joe were not up to shenanigans.

I said from the beginning that Hunter was shady. He sold the appearance of power because of his last name.

They didn't even get Hunter on it. They got him on a tax charge and lying on a government form about drug use. They got Joe for nothing. At some point you have to accept that there wasn't anything on Joe Biden. Blame all the people with rock solid evidence that failed to use it effectively if you want.

Tucker Carlson had rock solid evidence.

Then he put the only copy in a UPS box and lost it.

:lol:

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Brick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Brick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Brick wrote:
Hunter had no role in government so maybe the circle is the same without hypocrisy.

I'm more goofing on how you pretend that Joes was just a hapless fool while Hunter peddled influence right under his nose with no knowledge of it whatsoever.

You aren't doing a good job of it then.

Nobody likes being made fun of, it's alright.

But it's just a terrible job of it. Hunter sold his last name for profit. It's different than Musk who didn't need to sell his last name for profit. Musk seems to have much stranger motivations for this crusade against park rangers and Wisconsin Supreme Court people.

You're focusing on the Hunter part, stop focusing on that part. The joke is that people like you are so desperate to believe that Elon is a villain only out to enrich himself, so cutting USAID must be done with his benefit in mind, but with Joe Biden you looked for any and every reason not to believe that he was a treacherous leech taking a cut off his son trafficking in the Biden name, including denying the direct benefit given to his son by how Joe conducted foreign policy in Ukraine and the direct payments made from his son's entity directly to Joe's bank account.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Brick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Brick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Brick wrote:
Hunter had no role in government so maybe the circle is the same without hypocrisy.

I'm more goofing on how you pretend that Joes was just a hapless fool while Hunter peddled influence right under his nose with no knowledge of it whatsoever.

You aren't doing a good job of it then.

Nobody likes being made fun of, it's alright.

But it's just a terrible job of it. Hunter sold his last name for profit. It's different than Musk who didn't need to sell his last name for profit. Musk seems to have much stranger motivations for this crusade against park rangers and Wisconsin Supreme Court people.

You're focusing on the Hunter part, stop focusing on that part. The joke is that people like you are so desperate to believe that Elon is a villain only out to enrich himself, so cutting USAID must be done with his benefit in mind, but with Joe Biden you looked for any and every reason not to believe that he was a treacherous leech taking a cut off his son trafficking in the Biden name, including denying the direct benefit given to his son by how Joe conducted foreign policy in Ukraine and the direct payments made from his son's entity directly to Joe's bank account.


This paragraph could be distilled to four words, three if you use a conjunction. Simplify man!

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Has Favre Fan been able to provide the names of the American citizens that were deported to El Salvadoran jails?

Jack Mehoff is one.

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I’m sure it’s all over Facebook chat

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Has Favre Fan been able to provide the names of the American citizens that were deported to El Salvadoran jails?

I’m sure it’s all over Facebook chat


And reddit, probably. Right wing echo chamber!

Remember, he's not a liberal.


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Your question answers itself. Only a fool would think its not, first of all, the two cars.


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Maybe someone who thinks this little of humanity shouldn't be part of it.


The original tweet was slightly different but yeah his ai stuff makes me question what side he is really on. If he is on what I consider the wrong side he is on the side he is aligned with the leftys, and I think you know that to be true.


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You're focusing on the Hunter part, stop focusing on that part. The joke is that people like you are so desperate to believe that Elon is a villain only out to enrich himself, so cutting USAID must be done with his benefit in mind, but with Joe Biden you looked for any and every reason not to believe that he was a treacherous leech taking a cut off his son trafficking in the Biden name, including denying the direct benefit given to his son by how Joe conducted foreign policy in Ukraine and the direct payments made from his son's entity directly to Joe's bank account.

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AI isn’t quite a scam but it certainly behaves like one. The fear and doomsdaying is really the central thrust of the marketing pitch that creates a simultaneous anxious among 1) workers who are afraid they will be replaced and 2) investors who are afraid they will miss the Second Industrial Revolution. Both of these strategies are just catnip to wealthy people looking for places to park their money…fuck with your average working stiff AAAAND be the new feudal class???

But here’s the thing: some UC Berkeley grad students with their professor made one just about as good (like 99.9%) as ChatGPT’s in a basement for a few hundred bucks. China obviously made one as good as OpenAI’s best for a few million. It only gets so good and money can only buy you so much.

It’s useful. I use it, I’ve actually learned to do some coding because it makes that so fucking easy it’s ridiculous. But this sci-fi doomsdaying is not it.


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Maybe someone who thinks this little of humanity shouldn't be part of it.


The original tweet was slightly different but yeah his ai stuff makes me question what side he is really on. If he is on what I consider the wrong side he is on the side he is aligned with the leftys, and I think you know that to be true.


So your takeaway from this guy saying that humanity only exists to empower AI is that he's a secret liberal. This is why some people think the source of your unhappiness is deeper than DuPage County.

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Yes, won't somebody think of the sanctity of humanity and the Human Experience, say the Shout Your Abortion people.

Someone has to mercy rule this thing…JLN just abusing people at this point.

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No that's not what I'm saying. I'm still not really sure of what or who Elon is...he could be Captain America or he could be a total puppet. I don't agree that he thinks humanity only exists to empower AI (or hope not) but that ideology for sure would be part of leftism. Crazy times.


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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Yes, won't somebody think of the sanctity of humanity and the Human Experience, say the Shout Your Abortion people.

Someone has to mercy rule this thing…JLN just abusing people at this point.

STOP THE DAMN MATCH!!1


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 Post subject: Re: Elon musk
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Spaulding wrote:
No that's not what I'm saying. I'm still not really sure of what or who Elon is...he could be Captain America or he could be a total puppet. I don't agree that he thinks humanity only exists to empower AI (or hope not) but that ideology for sure would be part of leftism. Crazy times.

He’s a weird foreigner so not Captain America.

He seems glib on humanity but he’s also doing more than probably anybody in history to propagate humanity in the face of inevitable extinction…but he’s also suggested America not fund Serbian DEI initiatives (presumably to enrich himself)…so, who knows? Guy contains multitudes. What’s the point of humanity if the US federal government isn’t bankrolling Central American Gender Consultants?

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