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All those things Rogue mentioned are growing in western PA not shrinking.

Oh really? I didnt see him mention Cole's E.R.A.[/quote]
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Lester beat them.

That's the only thing we can judge them on since its pitcher vs pitcher out there, so I agree with you, Lester is better.


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One more since there is a 3 url limit.
http://gawker.com/working-at-amazon-is-a-soul-crushing-experience-1573522379

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Those are separate issues though.
Why are they separate issues? It seems like some of you think that Amazon is filled with tech workers making huge money. They employ people from all levels of economics.

If Amazon treated their $100k guys like garbage, and their warehouse employees well then it may matter. Every indication is that it only gets worse the lower you go in Amazon.



I have not seen any indication. Have you seen what the warehouse folks are getting treated poorly? Are they union? I doubt they look at work email off hours.
http://gawker.com/i-do-not-know-one-person-who-is-happy-at-amazon-1572478351
http://gawker.com/amazon-insiders-tell-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-1570866439
http://gawker.com/inside-amazons-bizarre-corporate-culture-1570412337


don't you hate Gawker ?


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The reverence for business people is because they are the real risk takers.


This is far, far less true than it was 50+ years ago. Ask the bankers, or better yet the two "business" people :lol: currently running for their party's nomination for President.

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It may be libertarian bullshit but it's true. There are people clamoring for those jobs.


But that's not the point. Every person has a responsibility to the collective. We've advanced far beyond the myth of the "rugged individual". The guy denis sees as a brave risk-taker, I see as a guy who leveraged all kinds of advantages created by others. That's fine, but don't act like an asshole once you're on top.

An employer can't choose to treat workers like shit and use "go work elsewhere" as a remedy in the same way that a property owner can't choose not to rent to certain people use "go rent elsewhere" as a remedy.

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Interesting Gawker stuff that I quickly scanned. I was looking for stats more than testimonials though. Not union I see but beyond that I will have to look later tonight if I am bored. The other thing I found was the tech/white collar pay not unskilled. That median was $73k to start and $120k mid career.

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It may be libertarian bullshit but it's true. There are people clamoring for those jobs.


But that's not the point. Every person has a responsibility to the collective. We've advanced far beyond the myth of the "rugged individual". The guy denis sees as a brave risk-taker, I see as a guy who leveraged all kinds of advantages created by others. That's fine, but don't act like an asshole once you're on top.

An employer can't choose to treat workers like shit and use "go work elsewhere" as a remedy in the same way that a property owner can't choose not to rent to certain people use "go rent elsewhere" as a remedy.



are you long time guying long time guy ????


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The other thing that caught my eye in the stuff Brick linked was this seems to be related to their specific business. Whether it was old school or the new style Amazon way retailing has thin margins. So Amazon and likely Walmart et al will not "invest" in anything that does not create better customer surface or margin growth. I suppose that if they did too much they would not be selling as much as they do, right or wrong.

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our owner is drunk right now and just fired a polish guy who doesn't speak english or spanish because he couldn't teach a mexican guy how to weld :lol:

firing off my resume to Jeff Bezos right now !


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don't you hate Gawker ?
Only when it sucks.
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Interesting Gawker stuff that I quickly scanned. I was looking for stats more than testimonials though. Not union I see but beyond that I will have to look later tonight if I am bored. The other thing I found was the tech/white collar pay not unskilled. That median was $73k to start and $120k mid career.
Huh?

You wanted to know why I thought that the workers get treated poorly in the warehouse.

Not to mention what W_Z has to say about working there.

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But that's not the point. Every person has a responsibility to the collective. We've advanced far beyond the myth of the "rugged individual". The guy denis sees as a brave risk-taker, I see as a guy who leveraged all kinds of advantages created by others. That's fine, but don't act like an asshole once you're on top.

An employer can't choose to treat workers like shit and use "go work elsewhere" as a remedy in the same way that a property owner can't choose not to rent to certain people use "go rent elsewhere" as a remedy.


I say fuck the morons who work there.

Alas, when 95% of the work force is morons and you're in the 5% who won't take in the ass for the Denis' of the world....that's not a comfortable place to be either.

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The other thing that caught my eye in the stuff Brick linked was this seems to be related to their specific business. Whether it was old school or the new style Amazon way retailing has thin margins. So Amazon and likely Walmart et al will not "invest" in anything that does not create better customer surface or margin growth. I suppose that if they did too much they would not be selling as much as they do, right or wrong.
So it caught your eye that treating employees like garbage was part of their business plan?

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You wanted to know why I thought that the workers get treated poorly in the warehouse.

Not to mention what W_Z has to say about working there.


Yeah thanks you answered that. I am interested in looking into more specifics about pay, hours and conditions outside of testimonials. I wasn't trying to make it sound as if I disagreed.

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Jeff Bezos Assures Amazon Employees That HR Working 100 Hours A Week To Address Their Complaints

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SEATTLE—In response to accusations of an abusive workplace environment, Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos assured employees Tuesday that the company’s human resources staff was working 100 hours a week to address their complaints. “I’ve heard your grievances, and I promise that HR is toiling 16 hours a day, plus weekends, until the problem is solved,” read a company-wide email from Bezos, who promised that members of the human resources department would not be allowed to rest for a single second until allegations of a cruel, backstabbing office culture at Amazon were fully dealt with. “Nothing matters more to me than the well-being of our employees, and our HR staff will continue to work their fingers to the bone—not seeing their families or friends or anything at all outside their offices—for as long as it takes to make this right.” Bezos added that any employee not fully committed to ensuring a healthy work-life balance should look for a job elsewhere.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
pittmike wrote:
The other thing that caught my eye in the stuff Brick linked was this seems to be related to their specific business. Whether it was old school or the new style Amazon way retailing has thin margins. So Amazon and likely Walmart et al will not "invest" in anything that does not create better customer surface or margin growth. I suppose that if they did too much they would not be selling as much as they do, right or wrong.
So it caught your eye that treating employees like garbage was part of their business plan?



No smart guy it caught my eye as to a reason behind the treatment being discussed. Because the plan is not to invest in anything not increasing profits lower level employees are not treated as well.

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Jeff Bezos Assures Amazon Employees That HR Working 100 Hours A Week To Address Their Complaints

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SEATTLE—In response to accusations of an abusive workplace environment, Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos assured employees Tuesday that the company’s human resources staff was working 100 hours a week to address their complaints. “I’ve heard your grievances, and I promise that HR is toiling 16 hours a day, plus weekends, until the problem is solved,” read a company-wide email from Bezos, who promised that members of the human resources department would not be allowed to rest for a single second until allegations of a cruel, backstabbing office culture at Amazon were fully dealt with. “Nothing matters more to me than the well-being of our employees, and our HR staff will continue to work their fingers to the bone—not seeing their families or friends or anything at all outside their offices—for as long as it takes to make this right.” Bezos added that any employee not fully committed to ensuring a healthy work-life balance should look for a job elsewhere.



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pittmike wrote:
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pittmike wrote:
The other thing that caught my eye in the stuff Brick linked was this seems to be related to their specific business. Whether it was old school or the new style Amazon way retailing has thin margins. So Amazon and likely Walmart et al will not "invest" in anything that does not create better customer surface or margin growth. I suppose that if they did too much they would not be selling as much as they do, right or wrong.
So it caught your eye that treating employees like garbage was part of their business plan?



No smart guy it caught my eye as to a reason behind the treatment being discussed. Because the plan is not to invest in anything not increasing profits lower level employees are not treated as well.

Business is business.


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Fuck the New York times. Their bullshit take-down piece on Bezos and Amazon better not end up increasing prices for Prime members. It's a free country. NOBODY forces those folks working for Amazon to continue their employment with Amazon. They are free to walk out the door and stop being an Amazon employee any time they want.

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The other thing that caught my eye in the stuff Brick linked was this seems to be related to their specific business. Whether it was old school or the new style Amazon way retailing has thin margins. So Amazon and likely Walmart et al will not "invest" in anything that does not create better customer surface or margin growth. I suppose that if they did too much they would not be selling as much as they do, right or wrong.
So it caught your eye that treating employees like garbage was part of their business plan?



No smart guy it caught my eye as to a reason behind the treatment being discussed. Because the plan is not to invest in anything not increasing profits lower level employees are not treated as well.


Increasing profits? How about making any at all, though I guess they made a small profit in a recent quarter. How dis Bozos clown became the 5th richest person in the world without ever turning a profit in like 15 years could only happen in Barack Hussein Obama's America.

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pittmike wrote:
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pittmike wrote:
The other thing that caught my eye in the stuff Brick linked was this seems to be related to their specific business. Whether it was old school or the new style Amazon way retailing has thin margins. So Amazon and likely Walmart et al will not "invest" in anything that does not create better customer surface or margin growth. I suppose that if they did too much they would not be selling as much as they do, right or wrong.
So it caught your eye that treating employees like garbage was part of their business plan?



No smart guy it caught my eye as to a reason behind the treatment being discussed. Because the plan is not to invest in anything not increasing profits lower level employees are not treated as well.


Increasing profits? How about making any at all, though I guess they made a small profit in a recent quarter. How dis Bozos clown became the 5th richest person in the world without ever turning a profit in like 15 years could only happen in Barack Hussein Obama's America.



I do wonder how they make that stock keep going up. Google too.

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Increasing profits? How about making any at all, though I guess they made a small profit in a recent quarter. How dis Bozos clown became the 5th richest person in the world without ever turning a profit in like 15 years could only happen in Barack Hussein Obama's America.



I do wonder how they make that stock keep going up. Google too.[/quote]

because they are taking that money and investing in a multitude of other projects..it's not like all Amazon does is sell Kindles


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I do wonder how they make that stock keep going up.



Wall Street has great admiration for any company than can squeeze its workforce like a bag of lemons.

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No smart guy it caught my eye as to a reason behind the treatment being discussed. Because the plan is not to invest in anything not increasing profits lower level employees are not treated as well.
It is interesting though that treating employees like garbage is part of their business plan.

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I see a lot of "We're hiring!" signs out.


in light of this news i'm going to go around the city today and ask all the homeless bums "what the fuck is wrong with you?"

We're discussing people that are considered qualified / stable / able.

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No smart guy it caught my eye as to a reason behind the treatment being discussed. Because the plan is not to invest in anything not increasing profits lower level employees are not treated as well.
It is interesting though that treating employees like garbage is part of their business plan.

Bruce Rauner would have it that way too. Fuckin' unions.

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No one is forcing anyone to stay in a job.



You speak from a place of power and ignorance.


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No one is forcing anyone to stay in a job.



You speak from a place of power and ignorance.


"A Place of Power and Ignorance" can be found on the sign right beneath "Welcome to Batavia."

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A friend who's worked as an attorney in various and sundry law firms said the Amazon work environment sounded like the work environment at any successful law firm...any successful business, it seems, pushes their employees--and then rewards them at the end of the day.

If people who work for Amazon or at 2000+ billable hr expectation law-firms don't like it, the world needs ditch-diggers and in-house corporate counsel too.


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It may be libertarian bullshit but it's true. There are people clamoring for those jobs.


But that's not the point. Every person has a responsibility to the collective. We've advanced far beyond the myth of the "rugged individual". The guy denis sees as a brave risk-taker, I see as a guy who leveraged all kinds of advantages created by others. That's fine, but don't act like an asshole once you're on top.

An employer can't choose to treat workers like shit and use "go work elsewhere" as a remedy in the same way that a property owner can't choose not to rent to certain people use "go rent elsewhere" as a remedy.



I'm not convinced that you think some of these theories all the way thru.

An employer can treat an employee like shit and send them elsewhere. But what if the employer doesn't treat them like shit.

Do the employees have to stay as long as they are treated well?

Who defines what 'treated like shit" and "not treated like shit" is?

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I have a great friend that is a senior recruiter for Amazon out in Seattle. He loves the entire thing.


oh fuck that guy. the seattle people are dickless bohemians. :D

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