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Yeah it brings up the long dormant pure hatred. And goddam if I didn't forgive him in 2005. What an asshole I am.


2005 forgave a lot.

This is bringing up all those old feelings again.

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Uncle Jerry did NOTHING wrong until the final season.


Telling Pippeen "too bad so sad" was a typical (((tribe))) move.


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Uncle Jerry did NOTHING wrong until the final season.


Questionable.

He could've stopped the infighting and stepped in much sooner.

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Uncle Jerry did NOTHING wrong until the final season.


Telling Pippeen "too bad so sad" was a typical (((tribe))) move.


That's Pippen's fault. Even Michael knew Jerry don't renegotiate.

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Uncle Jerry did NOTHING wrong until the final season.


Telling Pippeen "too bad so sad" was a typical (((tribe))) move.


He told the country bumpkin that the deal was too long and Scottie didn't listen. He shouldn't have given him a mulligan. Scottie was looking for security and he got it.

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Uncle Jerry did NOTHING wrong until the final season.


Questionable.

He could've stopped the infighting and stepped in much sooner.


They won the last one because he stepped in. Phil being a manipulating diva and Krause brought the team down. Uncle Jerry can't be expected to control all of those personalities.

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Caller Bob wrote:
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Uncle Jerry did NOTHING wrong until the final season.


Telling Pippeen "too bad so sad" was a typical (((tribe))) move.


That's Pippen's fault. Even Michael knew Jerry don't renegotiate.

And we why wonder superstars don't sign here. He fucking jewed him.


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Uncle Jerry did NOTHING wrong until the final season.


Telling Pippeen "too bad so sad" was a typical (((tribe))) move.


That's Pippen's fault. Even Michael knew Jerry don't renegotiate.

And we why wonder superstars don't sign here. He fucking jewed him.


He told him it was a bad contract and he still signed the deal.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
Uncle Jerry did NOTHING wrong until the final season.


Telling Pippeen "too bad so sad" was a typical (((tribe))) move.


That's Pippen's fault. Even Michael knew Jerry don't renegotiate.

And we why wonder superstars don't sign here. He fucking jewed him.


He told him it was a bad contract and he still signed the deal.

Cause he needed the money! There wasn't even a cap back then.. He could have re-did the deal. Stop defending him


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Caller Bob wrote:
Nas wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
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Nas wrote:
Uncle Jerry did NOTHING wrong until the final season.


Telling Pippeen "too bad so sad" was a typical (((tribe))) move.


That's Pippen's fault. Even Michael knew Jerry don't renegotiate.

And we why wonder superstars don't sign here. He fucking jewed him.


He told him it was a bad contract and he still signed the deal.

Cause he needed the money! There wasn't even a cap back then.. He could have re-did the deal. Stop defending him


There has been a salary cap since the mid-80s.

If Scottie had blown out his knee and reduced to a bench role, should he have offered to tear up the contract and get paid less?

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
Uncle Jerry did NOTHING wrong until the final season.


Questionable.

He could've stopped the infighting and stepped in much sooner.


They won the last one because he stepped in. Phil being a manipulating diva and Krause brought the team down. Uncle Jerry can't be expected to control all of those personalities.


It is almost like Jerry needs the drama in his organizations.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
Uncle Jerry did NOTHING wrong until the final season.


Questionable.

He could've stopped the infighting and stepped in much sooner.


They won the last one because he stepped in. Phil being a manipulating diva and Krause brought the team down. Uncle Jerry can't be expected to control all of those personalities.


It is almost like Jerry needs the drama in his organizations.


Uncle Jerry gave Krause and Ozzie a chance when no one thought he should. Chicago has 7 championships because of his genius.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
Uncle Jerry did NOTHING wrong until the final season.


Questionable.

He could've stopped the infighting and stepped in much sooner.


They won the last one because he stepped in. Phil being a manipulating diva and Krause brought the team down. Uncle Jerry can't be expected to control all of those personalities.


It is almost like Jerry needs the drama in his organizations.


Uncle Jerry gave Krause and Ozzie a chance when no one thought he should. Chicago has 7 championships because of his genius.


I know you are trolling but they have six of those because Portland already had Clyde Drexler. Then caught lightening in a bottle for one post season in baseball.

It will be interesting to see if the Sox thing pans out how many disgruntled guys they will have in about 4 years due to the Pippen type contracts they took.

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conns7901 wrote:
Nas wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
Uncle Jerry did NOTHING wrong until the final season.


Questionable.

He could've stopped the infighting and stepped in much sooner.


They won the last one because he stepped in. Phil being a manipulating diva and Krause brought the team down. Uncle Jerry can't be expected to control all of those personalities.


It is almost like Jerry needs the drama in his organizations.


Uncle Jerry gave Krause and Ozzie a chance when no one thought he should. Chicago has 7 championships because of his genius.


I know you are trolling but they have six of those because Portland already had Clyde Drexler. Then caught lightening in a bittle for one post season in baseball.

It will be interesting to see if the Sox thing pans out how many disgruntled guys they will have in about 4 years due to the Pippen type contracts they took.


He inherited Jordan, but he managed to put 2 teams around him that led to multiple 3Peats. Has there been a more successful owner in the past 30 years? I think Uncle Jerry gets a lot of unfair criticism and no one wants to give him credit for anything.

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He inherited Jordan, but he managed to put 2 teams around him that led to multiple 3Peats. Has there been a more successful owner in the past 30 years? I think Uncle Jerry gets a lot of unfair criticism and no one wants to give him credit for anything.


Baseball hasn't been relevant for over a decade and the Bulls up until this month were blaming the Rose injury for their current shitty situation. This documentary coming out may have been what finally pushed him to make changes with the Bulls.

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He inherited Jordan, but he managed to put 2 teams around him that led to multiple 3Peats. Has there been a more successful owner in the past 30 years? I think Uncle Jerry gets a lot of unfair criticism and no one wants to give him credit for anything.


Baseball hasn't been relevant for over a decade and the Bulls up until this month were blaming the Rose injury for their current shitty situation. This documentary coming out may have been what finally pushed him to make changes with the Bulls.


It's been less than a decade technically. Like I said, everyone wants to blame him for everything, but no one gives him credit for anything. You don't luck into 7 championships. The Bears and Cubs are what it looks like when incompetent management pisses away championship teams.

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The folks who shoulder the most blame for the Pippen thing are Pippen and his agent. It's the agent who is supposed to look out for the player's best interests, not the employer. Later on the Bulls could have shown more flexibility but the reason for Pippen's predicament was on him and his agent.

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Pippen knew what he was signing and he knows the reasons that he signed it. Back then it was reported that he signed the deal because it provided long term security for him. At the time Pippen had already suffered a serious back injury. There was a question as to whether he'd even have a long term career. He signed the deal with that as a consideration. Reinsdorf advised against but he did it anyway.

That was on him.

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The folks who shoulder the most blame for the Pippen thing are Pippen and his agent. It's the agent who is supposed to look out for the player's best interests, not the employer. Later on the Bulls could have shown more flexibility but the reason for Pippen's predicament was on him and his agent.



You can see how much the media helped stoke Scottie's resentment. All those stories pointing out that he was the 122nd highest paid player. But when he was calmly sitting down, he says right out he needed to take care of his family and he didn't want to risk getting hurt. It was a trade-off. If an injury had ended his career in the first season, he sure wasn't going to give Jerry the $18 million back.

And did we forget the fat sign-and-trade the Bulls arranged for him and the giant payment they gave him when they brought him back as a busted down 38 year old? Scottie has zero beef with Jerry Reinsdorf whether he knows that or not.

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The folks who shoulder the most blame for the Pippen thing are Pippen and his agent. It's the agent who is supposed to look out for the player's best interests, not the employer. Later on the Bulls could have shown more flexibility but the reason for Pippen's predicament was on him and his agent.


Was that the same agent that stole millions from him later on?

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Nas wrote:
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Uncle Jerry did NOTHING wrong until the final season.


Questionable.

He could've stopped the infighting and stepped in much sooner.


They won the last one because he stepped in. Phil being a manipulating diva and Krause brought the team down. Uncle Jerry can't be expected to control all of those personalities.


It is almost like Jerry needs the drama in his organizations.


Uncle Jerry gave Krause and Ozzie a chance when no one thought he should. Chicago has 7 championships because of his genius.


I know you are trolling but they have six of those because Portland already had Clyde Drexler. Then caught lightening in a bottle for one post season in baseball.

It will be interesting to see if the Sox thing pans out how many disgruntled guys they will have in about 4 years due to the Pippen type contracts they took.

MJ was so obviously great that the team was sold after he was drafted.

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The folks who shoulder the most blame for the Pippen thing are Pippen and his agent. It's the agent who is supposed to look out for the player's best interests, not the employer. Later on the Bulls could have shown more flexibility but the reason for Pippen's predicament was on him and his agent.




Was that the same agent that stole millions from him later on?


I don't know. It's still not management's problem. Again, they could have been flexible down the road. But Pippen locked himself into that deal. I remember this may have been discussed in Sam Smith's The Jordan Rules but I can't be sure. What I do remember reading is that plenty of people told Pippen it was unwise to do this but he was paranoid about suffering a debilitating injury.

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MJ was so obviously great that the team was sold after he was drafted.

If I remember correctly, Bulls ownership pre-Reinsdorf was a rickety consortium of the Wirtzes, Lamar Hunt, George Steinbrenner, and a handful of other dudes who were getting sued for some kind of screwing with the Milwaukee Bucks. The Wirtzes owned the Stadium in full and probably wanted to collect rent on Bulls games that no one went to instead of actually operating them. I'm guessing the wheels had been in motion to sell the team for a while.

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MJ was so obviously great that the team was sold after he was drafted.

If I remember correctly, Bulls ownership pre-Reinsdorf was a rickety consortium of the Wirtzes, Lamar Hunt, George Steinbrenner, and a handful of other dudes who were getting sued for some kind of screwing with the Milwaukee Bucks. The Wirtzes owned the Stadium in full and probably wanted to collect rent on Bulls games that no one went to instead of actually operating them. I'm guessing the wheels had been in motion to sell the team for a while.



Yeah, I think Jonathan Kovler was the managing partner of that group.

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I think the world is going to come around to my opinion on Reinsdorf after watching this documentary. Sure Reinsy will try to throw Krause under the bus, but Reinsy is responsible for Krause.

If Reinsdorf drops dead of Covid tomorrow, I'm popping champagne

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The folks who shoulder the most blame for the Pippen thing are Pippen and his agent. It's the agent who is supposed to look out for the player's best interests, not the employer. Later on the Bulls could have shown more flexibility but the reason for Pippen's predicament was on him and his agent.



You can see how much the media helped stoke Scottie's resentment. All those stories pointing out that he was the 122nd highest paid player. But when he was calmly sitting down, he says right out he needed to take care of his family and he didn't want to risk getting hurt. It was a trade-off. If an injury had ended his career in the first season, he sure wasn't going to give Jerry the $18 million back.

And did we forget the fat sign-and-trade the Bulls arranged for him and the giant payment they gave him when they brought him back as a busted down 38 year old? Scottie has zero beef with Jerry Reinsdorf whether he knows that or not.


Pippen sought out the contract because he was coming off significant back surgery and his career outlook was uncertain.

He obviously overcame his back problem but it still flared up throughout his career.

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The folks who shoulder the most blame for the Pippen thing are Pippen and his agent. It's the agent who is supposed to look out for the player's best interests, not the employer. Later on the Bulls could have shown more flexibility but the reason for Pippen's predicament was on him and his agent.



You can see how much the media helped stoke Scottie's resentment. All those stories pointing out that he was the 122nd highest paid player. But when he was calmly sitting down, he says right out he needed to take care of his family and he didn't want to risk getting hurt. It was a trade-off. If an injury had ended his career in the first season, he sure wasn't going to give Jerry the $18 million back.

And did we forget the fat sign-and-trade the Bulls arranged for him and the giant payment they gave him when they brought him back as a busted down 38 year old? Scottie has zero beef with Jerry Reinsdorf whether he knows that or not.


I think he knows that Reinsdorf took care of him now.

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