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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Dempster
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In 1987 Doyle Alexander was traded to the Tigers (for John Smoltz) and in 11 starts he went 9-0 with a 1.53 ERA.

Sabathia made 17 starts with the Crew and his ERA was 1.65 with 7 complete games. He threw 130.2 innings with 128k's.

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Authors can't pitch :lol:

My fastball tops out at 71 but it has a lot of downward movement.

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Dempster
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Hawg Ass wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
In 1987 Doyle Alexander was traded to the Tigers (for John Smoltz) and in 11 starts he went 9-0 with a 1.53 ERA.

Sabathia made 17 starts with the Crew and his ERA was 1.65 with 7 complete games. He threw 130.2 innings with 128k's.

He was really good for your Brewers, Hawger.


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Dempster
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Hey, we weren't the ones comparing the 0fer Brett Jackson to Mike Trout! :lol:

The statement still stands. That could be his ceiling.

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Bernstien would reel you in, zone you in, and light you up.

I'd be slightly surprised if Bernstein could even hit my fastball 50 feet past the infield.

No way he touches the 52 MPH slider. Nasty stuff.

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Dempster
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Throw the first one under his chin and you own the outer half. Maybe throw another one in there for fun.


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Keyser Soze wrote:
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In 1987 Doyle Alexander was traded to the Tigers (for John Smoltz) and in 11 starts he went 9-0 with a 1.53 ERA.

Sabathia made 17 starts with the Crew and his ERA was 1.65 with 7 complete games. He threw 130.2 innings with 128k's.

He was really good for your Brewers, Hawger.

Yeah, I remember he was good, but damn his numbers were amazing.

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Trout was only 19 when he was first called up. C'mon man.

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So based on that every player has the ceiling of Mike Trout. Call Jared Mitchell's ass up NOW!


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Dempster
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immessedup17 wrote:
Mike Trout hit .220/.281/.390 last year (his first call-up) with 30 K's in 123 AB.

C'mon man yourself.

A ceiling is a "realistic" projection.

There is no realistic projection that Jackson will be as good as a guy who is LITERALLY playing as well as Mickey fucking Mantle

The most optimistic projections of Jackson at this point have him as an average to slightly above average MLB player


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Dempster
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Can it be judged by his bounty of strikeouts in the minors?

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Dempster
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immessedup17 wrote:
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A ceiling is a "realistic" projection.

There is no realistic projection that Jackson will be as good as a guy who is LITERALLY playing as well as Mickey fucking Mantle

The most optimistic projections of Jackson at this point have him as an average to slightly above average MLB player

Last year, when Mike Trout was playing for the Angels, what were you saying about his ceiling? He was not very good, was he? Was it suddenly impossible for him to be good after having a bad start to his MLB career? How about Rizzo after last season?

Yes, I was. Trout has been touted since he was drafted as a phenom. And you can look at my comments on the Rizzo trade. Both have higher ceilings.

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Brett Jackson's career cannot be judged by his first 3 MLB games. His tool set still gives him a realistic ceiling to hit over .300 and slug .850 with 30 SB's.

I doubt he'll slug 850

Those are not Mike Trout's numbers

Trout has 36 steals in 4 months. He's hitting above 340 and his OPS is fucking over 1


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immessedup17 wrote:
Do you consider those career averages for Mike Trout?

I expect him to continue to put up huge numbers barring injury of course


Brett Jackson will never come close


Every scout and every website has him as a marginal starter


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Dempster
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His numbers in 2012 are insane...and honestly I don't think they are sustainable for years.
Nobody is saying Trout will continue at quite this pace.

To expect Brett Jackson to put up numbers anywhere near Trout's current level for more than a handful of games is insane.

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Dempster
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So when you made your original comparison, you werent talking about ACTUAL Mike Trout. You were talking about the future Mike Trout that will tail off in your mind?



Doesnt matter. No one expects Jackson to ever be in Trout's league.

Trout has all plus skills. Jackson has none. He is good, not great, at a bunch of things.


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Dempster
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immessedup17 wrote:
When I made my original comparison, it was before July.


Here are his numbers "before July this year";

AB G H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP RBI SB CS AVG OP% SLG OPS
May 108 21 35 6 2 5 16 11 1 28 8 2 .324 .385 .556 .941
June 113 27 42 7 1 3 16 9 1 22 14 1 .372 .419 .531 .950


So...even if you weren't talking about future Mike Trout, those are numbers Brett Jackson won't come close to this year, with the exception of HRs.

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So his ceiling is Mike Trout if Mike Trout became average?

That seems like an overly complicated formula.

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Dempster
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I'd like to believe that you are not this dense, but it seems that you are. The ceiling for Brett Jackson does not even come close to approaching Mike Trout's floor at this point.

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Dempster
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I'd like to believe that you are not this dense, but it seems that you are. The ceiling for Brett Jackson does not even come close to approaching Mike Trout's floor at this point.


Brett Jackson doesn't even live in Mike Trout's building.

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I'd like to believe that you are not this dense, but it seems that you are. The ceiling for Brett Jackson does not even come close to approaching Mike Trout's floor at this point.


Brett Jackson doesn't even live in Mike Trout's building.

Does it have a Deluxe apartment in the sky?

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I'd like to believe that you are not this dense, but it seems that you are. The ceiling for Brett Jackson does not even come close to approaching Mike Trout's floor at this point.


Brett Jackson doesn't even live in Mike Trout's building.

Does it have a Deluxe apartment in the sky?


Trout's does. Jackson lives with a family in Des Moines.

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I think there is a misunderstanding of the term ceiling.


The most likely outcome and common projection for Brett Jackson is: Above average player




The most likely outcome and common projection for Mike Trout is: MVP type


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Is he still MIA from the Rangers?

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Nah, the annoying red head gets lit up tonight against Baltimore...watch that era continue to rise.

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I get sick of pitchers who think their Harry Caray impression is so hilarious.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
I think there is a misunderstanding of the term ceiling.


The most likely outcome and common projection for Brett Jackson is: Above average player




The most likely outcome and common projection for Mike Trout is: HoF type


Fixed


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Is he still MIA from the Rangers?


Nope. The ass who was so concerned about his personal life showed up long enough to impersonate an announcer who died 14 years ago.

http://mlb.mlb.com/fancave/video.jsp#fbid=qubG8lj1qOe

Sorry, might to be a Cubs fan; but Cubs fans deserved better from someone they paid so damn much money to over the years. Overrated pitcher who seems more focused on stuff away from the diamond (impressions, the Stanley Cup, Captain America, etc.) that focusing on his job.


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He's 1-0 right now.

Can you win the Cy Young in both Leagues in one season?

2-1

A .667 Win Pct would look pretty good right now on the South Side.

Double Cy Young, here we come.

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