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THIS IS A BIT. TELL ME THIS IS A BIT! :lol:

Edit: aw, damn.


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Here's a legal question... say your brakes fail and you kill a pedestrian at a crossing. But when they investigate they find you've never had maintenance on your brakes and they failed because you never got them fixed.
Can you be held criminally liable for that?


Short answer no. Long answer yes with a but.

Thanks for clearing that up :lol:
If you have time for the long answer I have time to read it
This is the kind of stuff I don't know and am fascinated by.


If you knew that you had no breaks and still drove and hit someone because you had no breaks then you could be criminally charged.

If you had no idea then you're in the clear. The law punishes bad intent, not bad outcomes..

Then the issue becomes proving someone knew their brakes were bad...?


Yes. If you went to get an oil change and the tech told you you have no brakes it would be pretty easy to prove.


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It would be a bad break if you killed someone because you had no brakes.

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I'm able to see some argument for liability moving to the weapon wrangler if the actor shot another actor during a rehearsal or filming of the actual scene. There is no way he aims at and shoots the cinematographer as part of the script, unless she was standing in during rehearsal for another person. Liability falls totally on him if he chose to misuse it by firing at her as part of mischief, less so if she was standing in. Either way, I wish he had practiced better weapon safety, as I'm hoping he feels, also.

The Jack Ryan character in Red October was gun-phobic, but was able to shoot KGB agent Cook's Assistant Loganov* at close range; the pistol sure jumped around on him as the shots rang out!

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I'm able to see some argument for liability moving to the weapon wrangler if the actor shot another actor during a rehearsal or filming of the actual scene. There is no way he aims at and shoots the cinematographer as part of the script, unless she was standing in during rehearsal for another person. Liability falls totally on him if he chose to misuse it by firing at her as part of mischief, less so if she was standing in. Either way, I wish he had practiced better weapon safety, as I'm hoping he feels, also.

The Jack Ryan character in Red October was gun-phobic, but was able to shoot KGB agent Cook's Assistant Loganov* at close range; the pistol sure jumped around on him as the shots rang out!

*(yes, knows stupid things)


Sometimes actors are shooting in the direction of cameras/cameramen.

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I'm able to see some argument for liability moving to the weapon wrangler if the actor shot another actor during a rehearsal or filming of the actual scene. There is no way he aims at and shoots the cinematographer as part of the script, unless she was standing in during rehearsal for another person. Liability falls totally on him if he chose to misuse it by firing at her as part of mischief, less so if she was standing in. Either way, I wish he had practiced better weapon safety, as I'm hoping he feels, also.

The Jack Ryan character in Red October was gun-phobic, but was able to shoot KGB agent Cook's Assistant Loganov* at close range; the pistol sure jumped around on him as the shots rang out!

*(yes, knows stupid things)


Sometimes actors are shooting in the direction of cameras/cameramen.

But not at cinematographers

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Darkside wrote:
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I'm able to see some argument for liability moving to the weapon wrangler if the actor shot another actor during a rehearsal or filming of the actual scene. There is no way he aims at and shoots the cinematographer as part of the script, unless she was standing in during rehearsal for another person. Liability falls totally on him if he chose to misuse it by firing at her as part of mischief, less so if she was standing in. Either way, I wish he had practiced better weapon safety, as I'm hoping he feels, also.

The Jack Ryan character in Red October was gun-phobic, but was able to shoot KGB agent Cook's Assistant Loganov* at close range; the pistol sure jumped around on him as the shots rang out!

*(yes, knows stupid things)


Sometimes actors are shooting in the direction of cameras/cameramen.

But not at cinematographers


Idk know the specifics. It'll come out eventually. My point is actors aren't always shooting at each other even when the scene calls for a gun fight between the two.

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I'm able to see some argument for liability moving to the weapon wrangler if the actor shot another actor during a rehearsal or filming of the actual scene. There is no way he aims at and shoots the cinematographer as part of the script, unless she was standing in during rehearsal for another person. Liability falls totally on him if he chose to misuse it by firing at her as part of mischief, less so if she was standing in. Either way, I wish he had practiced better weapon safety, as I'm hoping he feels, also.

The Jack Ryan character in Red October was gun-phobic, but was able to shoot KGB agent Cook's Assistant Loganov* at close range; the pistol sure jumped around on him as the shots rang out!

*(yes, knows stupid things)


Sometimes actors are shooting in the direction of cameras/cameramen.

But not at cinematographers


Idk know the specifics. It'll come out eventually. My point is actors aren't always shooting at each other even when the scene calls for a gun fight between the two.

You're right. The script may have called for shooting a cinematographer and director.

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Darkside wrote:
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I'm able to see some argument for liability moving to the weapon wrangler if the actor shot another actor during a rehearsal or filming of the actual scene. There is no way he aims at and shoots the cinematographer as part of the script, unless she was standing in during rehearsal for another person. Liability falls totally on him if he chose to misuse it by firing at her as part of mischief, less so if she was standing in. Either way, I wish he had practiced better weapon safety, as I'm hoping he feels, also.

The Jack Ryan character in Red October was gun-phobic, but was able to shoot KGB agent Cook's Assistant Loganov* at close range; the pistol sure jumped around on him as the shots rang out!

*(yes, knows stupid things)


Sometimes actors are shooting in the direction of cameras/cameramen.

But not at cinematographers


Idk know the specifics. It'll come out eventually. My point is actors aren't always shooting at each other even when the scene calls for a gun fight between the two.

You're right. The script may have called for shooting a cinematographer and director.


Okay now you're just being an asshole. Let me return the favor: you do realize a shooting scene in a movie is fake, right? That actors aren't a literally shooting projectiles at each other like it's portrayed on scene? And that you aren't in harm's way when a gun is pointed directly at the camera because even though you're in the bullet's path it's actually all happening in a different area?

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Yes. I get that. Explaining things like you're explaining them to a four year old is cathartic sometimes. Usually pretend projectiles don't kill anyone but the other day they did. So something went wrong in pretend land.

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But not at cinematographers



All cinematographers are cameramen, but not all cameramen are cinematographers, therefore, Socrates is mortal. Low budget movie, unwilling to pay for union cameraman wages, v possible the DP lady did double-duty as camera operator.


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But not at cinematographers



All cinematographers are cameramen, but not all cameramen are cinematographers, therefore, Socrates is mortal. Low budget movie, unwilling to pay for union cameraman wages, v possible the DP lady did double-duty as camera operator.

Did she get paid extra for being a silhouette? Or was it just low budget movie stuff to be a target?

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Yes. I get that. Explaining things like you're explaining them to a four year old is cathartic sometimes. Usually pretend projectiles don't kill anyone but the other day they did. So something went wrong in pretend land.


And we covered that? Not sure what prompted the assholery but whatever floats your boat.

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Yes. I get that. Explaining things like you're explaining them to a four year old is cathartic sometimes. Usually pretend projectiles don't kill anyone but the other day they did. So something went wrong in pretend land.


And we covered that? Not sure what prompted the assholery but whatever floats your boat.

Dang. It's assholic to say that shooting cinematographers isn't protocol? Next you'll say that saying shooting assistant directors with pretend bullets is assholic too.

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If I were a thug living in Chicago, I would simply say I thought the gun I used to kill someone wasn't loaded.

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If I were a thug living in Chicago, I would simply say I thought the gun I used to kill someone wasn't loaded.



You might want to put a little more "thought" into your bit at times.

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Gun that killed Halyna Hutchins used by crew off-set for fun: report

The prop gun that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on a New Mexico movie set had been used by crew members offsite for fun, a new report claims.

The gun, which was fired by Alec Baldwin on the set of the movie “Rust,” may have even been loaded with live rounds when it was used for what was essentially target practice, TMZ reported.

Multiple sources connected to the production of the film told TMZ that the gun was fired at off-the-clock gatherings – which could explain how a live round found its way into the gun’s chamber.

Another source who was on set told the outlet that when cops arrived they found live ammo and blank rounds stored in the same area, where the fatal mix-up could have occurred.

https://nypost.com/2021/10/24/halyna-hu ... un-report/


Involuntary manslaughter. Ask a New Mexico grand jury. Or just indict the killa. He was negligent. He is at fault. He killed the hero woman. Fuck the patriarchy.

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If I were a thug living in Chicago, I would simply say I thought the gun I used to kill someone wasn't loaded.



You might want to put a little more "thought" into your bit at times.

Apparently the thing we've learned is to hit them with your car and claim you didn't know your breaks were bad

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If I were a thug living in Chicago, I would simply say I thought the gun I used to kill someone wasn't loaded.



You might want to put a little more "thought" into your bit at times.

Apparently the thing we've learned is to hit them with your car and claim you didn't know your breaks were bad

I’ve learned a lot of people will simp for a guy either out of partisan loyalty or perceived reverse partisan loyalty.

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If I were a thug living in Chicago, I would simply say I thought the gun I used to kill someone wasn't loaded.



You might want to put a little more "thought" into your bit at times.

Apparently the thing we've learned is to hit them with your car and claim you didn't know your breaks were bad

I’ve learned a lot of people will simp for a guy either out of partisan loyalty or perceived reverse partisan loyalty.

Thems the brakes.

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What is reverse partisan loyalty? Doesn't sound very loyal at all.

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What is reverse partisan loyalty? Doesn't sound very loyal at all.

There's bi monthly dues to pay. So you have to pay them 24 times a year or 6 times a year.

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Bi-montly is 26 weeks. Semi-annual is 24 weeks. It's not rocket surgery.

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Bi-montly is 26 weeks. Semi-annual is 24 weeks. It's not rocket surgery.

So you're not paying?

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I just hope Baldwin starts to get the fair shake he’s shown he gave to others .

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Don't listen to him.


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What is reverse partisan loyalty? Doesn't sound very loyal at all.

*perceived reverse partisan loyalty.

It’s all about the perception of reverse party loyalty.

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What is reverse partisan loyalty? Doesn't sound very loyal at all.

*perceived reverse partisan loyalty.

It’s all about the perception of reverse party loyalty.

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