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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 6:56 pm 
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Just out of curiosity Reader when you reference encountering racism from the police is that just white cops only or all cops?


Primarily white cops. But there are asshole cops of all colors. Then again, it's been joked that I nevertheless get along with cops given that I too often am an asshole myself.

I've had cops pull guns on me twice, one time walking in the middle of a well lit street in Hyde Park(the sidewalks on both sides had been ripped up) :?: and another time in southern IL with the trooper cracking a joke whilst holding a shotgun :shock: with three of the other four cops watching me while the fourth wrote me a time for 71 in a 65 mph zone. I even have been misidentified by arresting officers as "the defendant" in courtroom proceedings where eyewitness evidence was all the state's attorneys had. :lol:

Every so often I pass the old police station where Jon Burge & his merry band of drunken asshats ruled & still look up at the electric shock/telephone book room. We (kids) knew it was real then (despite what State's Atty Daley & the media said), just like it's still very real now.

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Bigfan, how would you recommend a community voice it's fear of and displeasure in a police force that has killed an unarmed kid?
There has to be some way that would be acceptable.

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Soooo, Steve got pretty quiet.

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badrogue17 wrote:
Just out of curiosity Reader when you reference encountering racism from the police is that just white cops only or all cops?


Primarily white cops. But there are asshole cops of all colors. Then again, it's been joked that I nevertheless get along with cops given that I too often am an asshole myself.

I've had cops pull guns on me twice, one time walking in the middle of a well lit street in Hyde Park(the sidewalks on both sides had been ripped up) :?: and another time in southern IL with the trooper cracking a joke whilst holding a shotgun :shock: with three of the other four cops watching me while the fourth wrote me a time for 71 in a 65 mph zone. I even have been misidentified by arresting officers as "the defendant" in courtroom proceedings where eyewitness evidence was all the state's attorneys had. :lol:

Every so often I pass the old police station where Jon Burge & his merry band of drunken asshats ruled & still look up at the electric shock/telephone book room. We (kids) knew it was real then (despite what State's Atty Daley & the media said), just like it's still very real now.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Pro tip: it's not the citizens.

Yup.
I don't trust cops at all. They scare me.
My wife calls them "Land Sharks".

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There's no life experience that is a pre-requisite for understanding who the bad guys are in Ferguson. Pro tip: it's not the citizens.


Overall I agree. The looters didn't help.

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There's no life experience that is a pre-requisite for understanding who the bad guys are in Ferguson. Pro tip: it's not the citizens.


Overall I agree. The looters didn't help.

Average citizens have few other alternatives.

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There's no life experience that is a pre-requisite for understanding who the bad guys are in Ferguson. Pro tip: it's not the citizens.


Overall I agree. The looters didn't help.

Average citizens have few other alternatives.


We won't agree on that. They were opportunist that weren't looking to advance the cause in any way. Fortunately that ended on Sunday.

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We won't agree on that. They were opportunist that weren't looking to advance the cause in any way. Fortunately that ended on Sunday.

Of course. In my opinion that does nothing to diminish the root cause.

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Are the cops down there wearing camo uniforms because they need to blend in with general city landscape and conv stores? Or are they being way to turned on acting like an army?

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Are the cops down there wearing camo uniforms because they need to blend in with general city landscape and conv stores? Or are they being way to turned on acting like an army?

Trying to blend in with the St Louis desert landscape.


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Are the cops down there wearing camo uniforms because they need to blend in with general city landscape and conv stores? Or are they being way to turned on acting like an army?


Even Fox (while trying to blame the citizens in every tasteless way possible) keeps mistakenly calling them the military. Hopefully when I catch the news tonight they will have smartened up.

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I was out in the mountains for a couple days disconnected so I do not know everything here. But I certainly know the cop forces all ove the country are thinking they are military with their swat unis and big ass equipment.

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I was out in the mountains for a couple days disconnected so I do not know everything here. But I certainly know the cop forces all ove the country are thinking they are military with their swat unis and big ass equipment.

Lakemoor... FUCKING LAKEMOOR, has some kind of battle tank Humvee thing now.
Really? Dude. It's LAKEMOOR.

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I was out in the mountains for a couple days disconnected so I do not know everything here. But I certainly know the cop forces all ove the country are thinking they are military with their swat unis and big ass equipment.

Lakemoor... FUCKING LAKEMOOR, has some kind of battle tank Humvee thing now.
Really? Dude. It's LAKEMOOR.


I thought these municipalities were buy them but the Pentagon is giving them away because we make too many of them. They even give them to university police. Talk about waste.

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It's an interesting turn this Ferguson story has taken. It seems to have moved from the outrage over the shooting of an unarmed black youth to a criticism of the militarization of the nation's police forces.

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It's an interesting turn this Ferguson story has taken. It seems to have moved from the outrage over the shooting of an unarmed black youth to a criticism of the militarization of the nation's police forces.

While it is good that this is becoming a point of discussion in the nation, it's disappointing (and disappointingly not surprising) that this is the route the narrative is taking.

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It's an interesting turn this Ferguson story has taken. It seems to have moved from the outrage over the shooting of an unarmed black youth to a criticism of the militarization of the nation's police forces.

While it is good that this is becoming a point of discussion in the nation, it's disappointing (and disappointingly not surprising) that this is the route the narrative is taking.

I think it' has a lot to do with wanting answers. The state and federal government can't make sure there are no small town racist cops. But they can make sure these small town racist cops don't have tanks and are held accountable for their crimes. In this case, nothing seems to be happening, which is justifiably infuriating.

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Well I didn't mean to change the scope of talk. I admitted I knew little of this so far. My angle was the pics I have seen so far are disturbing about how police forces are acting.

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Have any of you seen this? Is it real?

Real? Yes. From Ferguson? I don't think so just looking at the police car in the background - looks to be from a foreign country

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I really hope that's a photoshopped pic. Absolutely disgusting if real, but similar videos have been revealed from the "Occupy" protests a few years back.
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Snopes message board agrees with me fwiw:
http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=76658

confirmed it is from Brazil:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2011/03/29/mp-investiga-possivel-abuso-de-poder-de-pm-que-teria-acionado-spray-de-pimenta-no-rosto-de-crianca-em-niteroi-924118935.asp&ei=1wGjTvWuN4iGiQLq3rWNBA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CB0Q7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Doglobo%2Bspray%2Bde%2Bpimenta%2Bcrian%25C3%25A7as%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3D5gg%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26prmd%3Dimvns

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I really hope that's a photoshopped pic. Absolutely disgusting if real, but similar videos have been revealed from the "Occupy" protests a few years back.
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It is real. It's from Brazil though. I saw them doing it to adults but it takes a special kind of individual to do it to a small chip.

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Lakemoor... FUCKING LAKEMOOR, has some kind of battle tank Humvee thing now.
Really? Dude. It's LAKEMOOR.

To be fair, they had to be prepared in the event that Lipid didn't leave early.

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They're supposed to release Darren Wilson's name tomorrow.

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