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These are the people who should really be risen-up against: the agitators. Users. Manipulators. The Deep State, hard at work.



Wanna solve this problem in a jiff?

Following the letter of the EO, grab all these ANTIFA punks and treat them like actual terrorists.

No fucking Habeas Corpus. You get a one way trip to Gitmo, and nobody gets to see you ever again. No lawyer, no questions answered. You are fucking ERASED.

I'll bet this shit ends in 10 minutes if you do that.

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Is that calumet avenue? If so Should have moved the wall south a bit and it could double as a flood wall for the little calumet River


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:lol: :lol: :lol: I was wondering where Wayne Stylie and Trey ended up.

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funny if true but that is an awfully accurate and powerful throw. I'd say the Sox should sign him if true but we are so stacked we don't have room in a rotation above A.

I'd say the Cubs should sign him but their coaches would ruin him and then the fans would send him racist letters.

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preventing access to NWI AND Detroit. That is a wall for which I would pay!

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funny if true but that is an awfully accurate and powerful throw. I'd say the Sox should sign him if true but we are so stacked we don't have room in a rotation above A.

I'd say the Cubs should sign him but their coaches would ruin him and then the fans would send him racist letters.

Hey dipshit, get it right. The racist letters would come from the owners.

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https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/nickelodeon-i-cant-breathe-psa-ignites-conversation-around-importance-talking-children-racism-205404318.html

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What is the next step? I think the message has been heard by those that are opening their ears, eyes and minds. The message has most peoples attention now so how does society take the next step and actually begin to fix this? There is a group in Madison here who is demanding the abolition of the police and the release of prisoners from jail or they will keep destroying property. I mean its one group, its in madison of all places and its probably a small percentage of people demonstrating but they threw out clear demands.

I thought the various mayors, reps....that were joining marches was powerful and hopefully more do so. Hopefully some true leadership emerges from the ashes of this as most of those in positions of power are just dickheads trying to win votes.


on the local level, police reform really is in Lightfoot's wheelhouse. I think she did a nice job laying out a plan yesterday. My question to her though is, why did it take you over a year and riots to implement one of your core election issues?

Nationally, start with the easy stuff. Justice Department regs on both the physical and mental methods of policing.

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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The "enhanced training" is just going to feature a bunch of connected city contractors getting giant consulting gigs to stage workshops and seminars that the cops blow off and dont take seriously. The police by-and-large know what does and doesn't get them in trouble but there is a colossal problem in that all it takes is one of the over one million police officers in America to fuck up once on camera for people to go into a full scale riot.


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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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I do also think it would be good for a release and discussion of the "analytics" of police abuse. I think all of us could use the coolness of the hard numbers behind the rhetoric.

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I do also think it would be good for a release and discussion of the "analytics" of police abuse. I think all of us could use the coolness of the hard numbers behind the rhetoric.


Nobody really wants that though. Especially politicians.

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I do also think it would be good for a release and discussion of the "analytics" of police abuse. I think all of us could use the coolness of the hard numbers behind the rhetoric.


Yes, but those numbers will show less racial bias than perception, so they won't be taken seriously.

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good dolphin wrote:
I do also think it would be good for a release and discussion of the "analytics" of police abuse. I think all of us could use the coolness of the hard numbers behind the rhetoric.


Nobody really wants that though. Especially politicians.

The fact that the statistics aren't widely cited to the point that you dont know them already tells you all you need to know about the hard analytics.


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I do also think it would be good for a release and discussion of the "analytics" of police abuse. I think all of us could use the coolness of the hard numbers behind the rhetoric.


Nobody really wants that though. Especially politicians.

The fact that the statistics aren't widely cited to the point that you dont know them already tells you all you need to know about the hard analytics.


It's easier to just repeat something over and over until it becomes truth.

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good dolphin wrote:
I do also think it would be good for a release and discussion of the "analytics" of police abuse. I think all of us could use the coolness of the hard numbers behind the rhetoric.


Nobody really wants that though. Especially politicians.

The fact that the statistics aren't widely cited to the point that you dont know them already tells you all you need to know about the hard analytics.


It's easier to just repeat something over and over until it becomes truth.

Asking for the slightest bit of proof before we go on dismantling our entire society is obviously extremely racist.


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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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The "enhanced training" is just going to feature a bunch of connected city contractors getting giant consulting gigs to stage workshops and seminars that the cops blow off and dont take seriously. The police by-and-large know what does and doesn't get them in trouble but there is a colossal problem in that all it takes is one of the over one million police officers in America to fuck up once on camera for people to go into a full scale riot.


I don't think they do know techniques that get them in trouble. It seems that in tense situations they fall back on some outdated methods. Updated training will result in those moments when they rely on muscle memory to remember better mehtods. Anyway, most licensed professions require continuing education. There is nothing wrong with a yearly update on policing.

I do agree that classes from instructors in the community just screams corruption for the relative of an alderman. However, you have to try. There is a uniqueness to policing neighborhoods in Chicago and not just african american neighborhoods. Chinatown demands different methods than Pilsen or Canaryville, even though the often blend physically

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Antarctica wrote:
The "enhanced training" is just going to feature a bunch of connected city contractors getting giant consulting gigs to stage workshops and seminars that the cops blow off and dont take seriously. The police by-and-large know what does and doesn't get them in trouble but there is a colossal problem in that all it takes is one of the over one million police officers in America to fuck up once on camera for people to go into a full scale riot.

No it just takes one in over a million doing it that happens to be recorded. Let's not get it twisted. The only reason we are having this discussion is because it was recorded. It wasn't because he committed the violation.

And I say this as a person that isn't really anti police. I do understand that the rules are heavily tilted in their favor however when it comes to this sort of thing.

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good dolphin wrote:
I do also think it would be good for a release and discussion of the "analytics" of police abuse. I think all of us could use the coolness of the hard numbers behind the rhetoric.


Yes, but those numbers will show less racial bias than perception, so they won't be taken seriously.


I'm not sure that's true but we are moving towards data driven society. I think each of us would find some preconceptions erased by the data.

I don't say by FACTS of course, because stats can also make liars of us all.

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Antarctica wrote:
The "enhanced training" is just going to feature a bunch of connected city contractors getting giant consulting gigs to stage workshops and seminars that the cops blow off and dont take seriously.


Wrong again. In big cities (where they've emphasized training) the numbers are down as far as police shootings. They've risen in rural and suburban areas. Where conduct hasn't been scrutinized as much.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/po ... l-america/

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But these numbers don’t tell the whole story. While the nationwide total of people killed by police nationwide has remained steady, the numbers have dropped significantly in America’s largest cities, likely due to reforms to use-of-force policies implemented in the wake of high-profile deaths. Those decreases, however, have been offset by increases in police killings in more suburban and rural areas. It seems that solutions that can reduce police killings exist, in other words — the issue may be whether an area has the political will to enact them.

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Antarctica wrote:
The "enhanced training" is just going to feature a bunch of connected city contractors getting giant consulting gigs to stage workshops and seminars that the cops blow off and dont take seriously. The police by-and-large know what does and doesn't get them in trouble but there is a colossal problem in that all it takes is one of the over one million police officers in America to fuck up once on camera for people to go into a full scale riot.

No it just takes one in over a million doing it that happens to be recorded. Let's not get it twisted. The only reason we are having this discussion is because it was recorded. It wasn't because he committed the violation.

And I say this as a person that isn't really anti police. I do understand that the rules are heavily tilted in their favor however when it comes to this sort of thing.


Right. I'm not anti immunity but let's get to a standard that lets them know they don't have carte blanche.

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Obviously this officer had a certain sense of glee and callousness that amplified everything, but i've seen enough Cops and Live PD where the gang of 4, 5, 6 cops takes down someone with that amount of force...it doesn't seems all that unusual


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I do also think it would be good for a release and discussion of the "analytics" of police abuse. I think all of us could use the coolness of the hard numbers behind the rhetoric.


Yes, but those numbers will show less racial bias than perception, so they won't be taken seriously.


I'm not sure that's true but we are moving towards data driven society. I think each of us would find some preconceptions erased by the data.

I don't say by FACTS of course, because stats can also make liars of us all.


I think that much (most?) of the negative feelings toward police by blacks has more to do with "soft" racism (i.e., profiling) vs "hard" (brutality). Whether it was Herb (who grew up in Wheaton) or Anthony Herron (a professional athlete), they talked about their experiences in being treated differently. They weren't victims of racism that would show up in any stats, so that makes it difficult to quantify.

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