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I think one thing that should come out of this is I'd like to see a law passed making it a requirement that cops have their body cameras on and running at all times they are on the clock. If they are caught with the camera turned off or disabled they are fired for cause, plain and simple.

I'd settle more for them not having off switches at all.

Bathroom breaks ?

All cops pee sitting down.

You could make the training video for them.

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This is what I am talking about in response to Antarctica saying the police know what gets them in trouble.

They have to be trained to be impervious to verbal insults. That's just part of the job, like a weatherman or tax collector.

You cant expect human beings to weather this for almost a week. Its beyond the capacity to endure. If you really want cops who can handle this start being more demanding in terms of qualifications, but if you want university grads and qualified people to pick local policing over the FBI you're going to need to pay a ton. And even then, the stigma enforced by this movement makes it so money would have to reach stratospheric levels for MANY to even consider it.

Fact is, the only people looking to be police officers now are people who want to be societal outcasts. Very few people who want to do something positive are going to want a job as thankless as police officer where they endure seeing people at their worst day in, day out while the whole world hates them for it.


That is a frequent cop complaint that is just untrue. As I said, huge swaths of Coplands in this city where they are respected and honored. The northern and northwest border of the city even elects them as alderman.

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That is a frequent cop complaint that is just untrue. As I said, huge swaths of Coplands in this city where they are respected and honored. The northern and northwest border of the city even elects them as alderman.

Not everywhere is Chicago.


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That is a frequent cop complaint that is just untrue. As I said, huge swaths of Coplands in this city where they are respected and honored. The northern and northwest border of the city even elects them as alderman.

Not everywhere is Chicago.

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That is a frequent cop complaint that is just untrue. As I said, huge swaths of Coplands in this city where they are respected and honored. The northern and northwest border of the city even elects them as alderman.

Not everywhere is Chicago.


Well, apparently its similar in New York as that is the site of Copland. So now we have 2 of the 3 biggest cities in the country solved

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The "enhanced training" is just going to feature a bunch of connected city contractors getting giant consulting gigs to stage workshops and seminars that the cops blow off and dont take seriously. The police by-and-large know what does and doesn't get them in trouble but there is a colossal problem in that all it takes is one of the over one million police officers in America to fuck up once on camera for people to go into a full scale riot.


I don't think they do know techniques that get them in trouble. It seems that in tense situations they fall back on some outdated methods. Updated training will result in those moments when they rely on muscle memory to remember better mehtods. Anyway, most licensed professions require continuing education. There is nothing wrong with a yearly update on policing.

I do agree that classes from instructors in the community just screams corruption for the relative of an alderman. However, you have to try. There is a uniqueness to policing neighborhoods in Chicago and not just african american neighborhoods. Chinatown demands different methods than Pilsen or Canaryville, even though the often blend physically

I think you spend more time and money educating the youth in underprivileged areas. As I posted here from Kevin Hart's interview with Joe Rogan, much of what keeps underprivileged youth from achieving things as easily is not just the money they don't have at the moment, it is the guidance. Provide programs that provide such guidance if it is lacking, and you are working on the foundation from the ground-up.

They can also run the cops through monthly psychological screenings. If you do what I said above, I don't think cops need to be taught that much more than they already know, but we can try to weed out the yippie-kai-aye, muthafucka! ones as best we can.

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Fact is, the only people looking to be police officers now are people who want to be societal outcasts. Very few people who want to do something positive are going to want a job as thankless as police officer where they endure seeing people at their worst day in, day out while the whole world hates them for it.


Well, if the only people who become cops are sociopaths and misanthropes, coming into the job with contempt and disdain for everyone they see as weaker or lesser, then no one is going to respect the police very much.

I know the whole truck driver meme here has been, much like 40% of policemen's wives, beaten into the ground, but I think cops are thanked pretty well in terms of being given more and more funding to ensure their continued safety. We'll cut school districts to the bone if we have to but always find money under the couch cushions for, you know, tanks.

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I know the whole truck driver meme here has been, much like 40% of policemen's wives, beaten into the ground, but I think cops are thanked pretty well in terms of being given more and more funding to ensure their continued safety. We'll cut school districts to the bone if we have to but always find money under the couch cushions for, you know, tanks.
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That is a frequent cop complaint that is just untrue. As I said, huge swaths of Coplands in this city where they are respected and honored. The northern and northwest border of the city even elects them as alderman.

Not everywhere is Chicago.


Well, apparently its similar in New York as that is the site of Copland. So now we have 2 of the 3 biggest cities in the country solved

Wasn't your original idea to force them out of these few places where they are respected and comfortable, instead requiring them to live where they dont want to live?

Its interesting that people think making police more miserable and dictating more of their off-duty lives will attract more desirable applicants.


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I think one thing that should come out of this is I'd like to see a law passed making it a requirement that cops have their body cameras on and running at all times they are on the clock. If they are caught with the camera turned off or disabled they are fired for cause, plain and simple.

That’s fine shakes but then anytime they legit “ malfunction” as electronic devices are wont to do especially if there is a foot chase or physical altercation , there’ll be accusations of cover ups, etc.



I would have it be all or nothing. Cops are responsible for their body cameras, if they are off FOR ANY REASON, they are fired. It should be second nature for cops to make sure their cameras are in working order. If they aren't they need to immediately remove themselves from the public and get the camera fixed.

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Talk about somebody who needs to work on themselves before casting judgment on others.

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I think you spend more time and money educating the youth in underprivileged areas. As I posted here from Kevin Hart's interview with Joe Rogan, much of what keeps underprivileged youth from achieving things as easily is not just the money they don't have at the moment, it is the guidance. Provide programs that provide such guidance if it is lacking, and you are working on the foundation from the ground-up.

They can also run the cops through monthly psychological screenings. If you do what I said above, I don't think cops need to be taught that much more than they already know, but we can try to weed out the yippie-kai-aye, muthafucka! ones as best we can.

So a police officers starts showing a few mental cracks after enduring a particularly bad month of witnessing the immediate aftermath child sexual abuse and dogfighting. Instead of being able to talk to anyone or work though that, they flunk their monthly psychological examination and are out of a job. Man, these ideas you guys have keep getting better!

I'm also wondering how you all plan on replacing all these cops who you plan on firing (or will quit because its just not worth it to be told exactly where you'll live, having a 24/7 body camera recording every second of your life for public critique and then have monthly psych interviews to prove you can still hold the job)? The infinite supply of people who want to be police officers?


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I think one thing that should come out of this is I'd like to see a law passed making it a requirement that cops have their body cameras on and running at all times they are on the clock. If they are caught with the camera turned off or disabled they are fired for cause, plain and simple.

I'd settle more for them not having off switches at all.

Bathroom breaks ?

Or when taking a call from a family member?

Look we know what Brick and shakes are really saying, they think more draconian demands should punitively placed on cops. Not because it will help serve the public good in any way, but because police are The Enemy and any way to can stick it to the police or stress them out even more than they already are is a laudable idea. That's really what all these ideas are about.


How do body cameras always being on "not serve the public in any way"?

And how is wearing a body camera that is always on punitive?

Why is it stressful for the police to have working body cameras that are always on?

How do body cameras being on hurt the police? If anything it helps them...unless they are doing something they shouldn't be doing.


And if the cops get a call from a family member they tell them to either call back after his shift or the cop can go to the station to return the call where there will be designated areas where cops don't have to have their cameras on.

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That is a frequent cop complaint that is just untrue. As I said, huge swaths of Coplands in this city where they are respected and honored. The northern and northwest border of the city even elects them as alderman.

Not everywhere is Chicago.


Well, apparently its similar in New York as that is the site of Copland. So now we have 2 of the 3 biggest cities in the country solved

Wasn't your original idea to force them out of these few places where they are respected and comfortable, instead requiring them to live where they dont want to live?

Its interesting that people think making police more miserable and dictating more of their off-duty lives will attract more desirable applicants.


Force? I said incentivized and voluntary.

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How do body cameras always being on "not serve the public in any way"?

And how is wearing a body camera that is always on punitive?

Why is it stressful for the police to have working body cameras that are always on?

How do body cameras being on hurt the police? If anything it helps them...unless they are doing something they shouldn't be doing.


And if the cops get a call from a family member they tell them to either call back after his shift or the cop can go to the station to return the call where there will be designated areas where cops don't have to have their cameras on.

Imagine having your wife call you to tell you your kid's in the hospital and you have to choose whether to have that conversation recorded for all the public to see whenever they wanted or wait until your shift is over to talk?

Man, if you want to sew more contempt for the public from cops this is a really great way to do it.


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That is a frequent cop complaint that is just untrue. As I said, huge swaths of Coplands in this city where they are respected and honored. The northern and northwest border of the city even elects them as alderman.

Not everywhere is Chicago.


Well, apparently its similar in New York as that is the site of Copland. So now we have 2 of the 3 biggest cities in the country solved

Wasn't your original idea to force them out of these few places where they are respected and comfortable, instead requiring them to live where they dont want to live?

Its interesting that people think making police more miserable and dictating more of their off-duty lives will attract more desirable applicants.


Force? I said incentivized and voluntary.

Free land and a home.

The "incentive" will quickly become "not losing your job". The state is not going to buy property for police to live in free of charge then have officers tell them no thanks.


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Imagine having your wife call you to tell you your kid's in the hospital and you have to choose whether to have that conversation recorded for all the public to see whenever they wanted or wait until your shift is over to talk?

Husband Cop: Hi Honey, what's up?

Wife:It's Jimmy! I had to take him to the hospital.

Husband Cop: Oh no! That's terrible. I'll be right there.



Yeah, that's a tough choice.

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Imagine having your wife call you to tell you your kid's in the hospital and you have to choose whether to have that conversation recorded for all the public to see whenever they wanted or wait until your shift is over to talk?

Man, if you want to sew more contempt for the public from cops this is a really great way to do it.
In this scenario are you assuming the officer finishes his shift?

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Imagine having your wife call you to tell you your kid's in the hospital and you have to choose whether to have that conversation recorded for all the public to see whenever they wanted or wait until your shift is over to talk?

Husband Cop: Hi Honey, what's up?

Wife:It's Jimmy! I had to take him to the hospital.

Husband Cop: Oh no! That's terrible. I'll be right there.



Yeah, that's a tough choice.

There are any number of uncomfortable or private situations that can fit the bill of the point you know I'm trying to make. How many of you would do you job under constant surveillance I wonder? And then on top of that every couple years a bunch of college students and violent criminals who got sprung loose by the governor throw bottles of piss and vomit at you. Sounds great. Really, you are going to attract the best and brightest for this job.


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This is what I am talking about in response to Antarctica saying the police know what gets them in trouble.

They have to be trained to be impervious to verbal insults. That's just part of the job, like a weatherman or tax collector.

You cant expect human beings to weather this for almost a week. Its beyond the capacity to endure. If you really want cops who can handle this start being more demanding in terms of qualifications, but if you want university grads and qualified people to pick local policing over the FBI you're going to need to pay a ton. And even then, the stigma enforced by this movement makes it so money would have to reach stratospheric levels for MANY to even consider it.

Fact is, the only people looking to be police officers now are people who want to be societal outcasts. Very few people who want to do something positive are going to want a job as thankless as police officer where they endure seeing people at their worst day in, day out while the whole world hates them for it.
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Imagine having your wife call you to tell you your kid's in the hospital and you have to choose whether to have that conversation recorded for all the public to see whenever they wanted or wait until your shift is over to talk?

Man, if you want to sew more contempt for the public from cops this is a really great way to do it.
In this scenario are you assuming the officer finishes his shift?

Oh damn good point.

Call all the criminals and tell them no crime for the rest of the day, were a little short staffed here at the department.


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Imagine having your wife call you to tell you your kid's in the hospital and you have to choose whether to have that conversation recorded for all the public to see whenever they wanted or wait until your shift is over to talk?

Man, if you want to sew more contempt for the public from cops this is a really great way to do it.
In this scenario are you assuming the officer finishes his shift?

Oh damn good point.

Call all the criminals and tell them no crime for the rest of the day, were a little short staffed here at the department.
I find it hard to believe that a police officer who has a kid go into the hospital would be allowed to end his shift early and go to them. Your scenario was that the officer would have to wait until the end of shift to even talk to his spouse.

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I think one thing that should come out of this is I'd like to see a law passed making it a requirement that cops have their body cameras on and running at all times they are on the clock. If they are caught with the camera turned off or disabled they are fired for cause, plain and simple.

That’s fine shakes but then anytime they legit “ malfunction” as electronic devices are wont to do especially if there is a foot chase or physical altercation , there’ll be accusations of cover ups, etc.



I would have it be all or nothing. Cops are responsible for their body cameras, if they are off FOR ANY REASON, they are fired. It should be second nature for cops to make sure their cameras are in working order. If they aren't they need to immediately remove themselves from the public and get the camera fixed.
"Here is this incredibly complicated electronic machine made by the lowest bidder, YOU BETTER HAVE IT IN WORKING ORDER AT ALL TIMES OR YOU'RE FIRED" certainly sounds reasonable.


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I think you spend more time and money educating the youth in underprivileged areas. As I posted here from Kevin Hart's interview with Joe Rogan, much of what keeps underprivileged youth from achieving things as easily is not just the money they don't have at the moment, it is the guidance. Provide programs that provide such guidance if it is lacking, and you are working on the foundation from the ground-up.

They can also run the cops through monthly psychological screenings. If you do what I said above, I don't think cops need to be taught that much more than they already know, but we can try to weed out the yippie-kai-aye, muthafucka! ones as best we can.

So a police officers starts showing a few mental cracks after enduring a particularly bad month of witnessing the immediate aftermath child sexual abuse and dogfighting. Instead of being able to talk to anyone or work though that, they flunk their monthly psychological examination and are out of a job. Man, these ideas you guys have keep getting better!

I'm also wondering how you all plan on replacing all these cops who you plan on firing (or will quit because its just not worth it to be told exactly where you'll live, having a 24/7 body camera recording every second of your life for public critique and then have monthly psych interviews to prove you can still hold the job)? The infinite supply of people who want to be police officers?

No, maybe they just get a break, with therapy sessions, until they pass the test later on.

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