You've been out of touch with Cubs fans for a long time.

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I guess. I'm not sure why I would have said that. That seems odd. I don't remember the angle. I'd have to read the entire thread.

Maybe this is just another example of me dying as a NFL fan. I think the IDIOT FRIENDS and I discussed this when we were out recently.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

So you became a Vikings fan?

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You know me like that.

I'll tell it again. I started as a Vikings fan.

1996-1998 got me into the NFL. Those Vikings teams were on national TV every week, and they scored a ton. It was fun to watch.

I don't think I had ever watched a single NFL game before the first time I watched the Vikings play.

I was all in. I had the Vikings starter jacket, the huge wall sized Randy Moss poster, the wall plaques, John Randle jersey.

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Shouldn't you quit being a Vikings fan though by the same logic?

At least the Bears have made a Super Bowl in recent times. The Vikings, well, they had Adrian Peterson for a while?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

its usually tough for me to criticize a person for their fandom. its generally their parents fault for choosing teams they have absolutely no association with. most people chose those teams when they were small children. i have tons of friends from illinois who are yankees and cowboys fans. thats who was winning at the time when they were children and you want to root for winners.

We gave Brooks Kieschnick a standing ovation.

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Mark DeRosa was given and would still receive a huge standing ovation.

I never said it was. People are free to be front-runners and I'm free to hold them in contempt.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

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IMU is different because he picked a franchise that is FAR WORSE than the Bears.

Anyone who was a kid and picked the Cowboys or now the Patriots because they were winners is stupid. You can switch allegiances back to a place that is logical.

Otherwise, IU basketball would have no fans and they'd all switch over to Kentucky.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

The Vikings ownership cares about the team and its fans, and does not rely on 1985 or "DITKA. BUTKUS" to market the team. Wilf worked hard to get a new stadium deal, and didn't rely on accepting makeup on a pig like what happened to Soldier Field. The Bears play in one of the smallest NFL stadiums in a major market.

Ginny doesn't give two rats ass about turning the Bears franchise around. None of the McCaskeys seem to care...or have the competence.

And what is with White Sox fans continuing to think 10 years ago is recent times? You and I were barely adults then.

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if you move to a new city, it's inevitable that you'll adopt the teams of the new city as secondary to the teams you grew up with. But they are like the kids your 2nd wife has from her first 3 marriages. You still cheer for your childhood teams over your adopted hometown teams. Just like you bail out your own kids before you bail out hers.

I don't get people who are fans of teams with which they have zero geographic history. Unless it's something like EPL. Even then, at least get up early on weekends and go watch the games at the Globe or the Atlantic or whatever your team's local to Chicago bar happens to be.

- Your son definitely cannot speak to it. He has to take your word for it, and that is it. If he is using it to determine his fandom...that is stupid.
- You overthink it. Who cares? You're pissing. Not onto walls, or floors, but into a receptacle designed for it.
- Owners in Chicago: 1) Wirtz 2) Ricketts 3) Reinsdorf 4) McCaskey
- So out of the hundreds and thousands you pass on your way to Wrigley for that day's game, you have a couple people ask you? I believe, as a numbers guy, you would admit that it would be unsafe to try and extrapolate that data.
- Crane Kenney wasn't very good at marketing.

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There is nothing in the "process" that's disgusting with troughs.

You find a spot, piss and leave.

Maybe the Bears should have pulled a Jerry and "screwed" the city and state because what Wilf did was WORSE than anything Jerry has ever done.
But they still do a better job than the Vikings.
Did you not just talk about how the Vikings were in the 90s is why you are a fan?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

troughs are fine. better than those even with the floor "urinal" things they have in some places. might as well save a trip and just piss on your shoes right at your seat.

And the team, city and fans will be better for it. The metrodome was a shithole.



In actual "recent times," have they?

In the last four years, the Vikings have gone 33-30 with two playoff appearances. The Bears went 29-35 with no playoff appearances.



Yes. And I never claimed I became a recent fan. What is your point? If anything, I'm a "long time fan." Don't pull a Frank.

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Yes, the masses have spoken. The hunt for an open spot between two fat guys will continue as will the uncomfortable eye contact with the guy across from you in those middle troughs. The encouragement to bring your beer into the bathroom is assured by the handy rest area. All in the name of pissing efficiency.

I hate those floor models. It is one of the things I remember about bars in Sydney.

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what i think JORR is pointing to, and what ruins it for me for almost every fan base, is the attitude. obviously, JORR is also talking about the fact that these guys aren't from new york or know the culture. but the attitude is what really kills it.

me and ugie used to work with a guy who was from minnesota but was a "die hard" eagles fan. i had no idea why he would "throw the dart" and choose that team. but anyway he did, and he owned all these ridiculous things, merchandise, to prove how much of a fan he was.

i don't care that he claimed to be an eagles fan. he was an obnoxious crotch goblin. and anyone who wanted to hate the eagles could pick that guy and say "this is why i hate eagles fans". regardless of jumping on the bandwagon or being home grown. unfortunately he represented the fanbase pretty accurately.

however, the home grown fan, or the fan who has followed a team for more than 20 years, will most likely have a lot more perspective and be easier to talk to. even yankee fans.

You don't have to use the troughs. There are stalls for shy people.

Too inefficient. You guys sold me. I may even drop a deuce in one.

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Yeah for arbitrary time frames!
The problem is you don't understand why anyone would still be a Bears fan. However, you became a fan of the Vikings in the 90s because they were marginally good and yet you discount the Bears recent Super Bowl as not being a reason to be a Bears fan. It doesn't make sense.

By your very criteria about whether you should be a Bears fan or not, you should have dumped the Vikings a long time ago. They have undeniably been the worse franchise no matter how you try and spin it.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I thought the stalls were for doing drugs/killing half a crotched-flask of jameson in extras.

Just use the half-moon sink. Closest to the door.

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I wish I hadn't latched on to that SB-winning Redskins squad. It's been 25 years of shit ever since.

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IMU talking about recent times. That's rich. If the Cubs win the 2016 or 2017 World Series, he will be chirping about it for a lot longer than 10 years.

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10 years ago is NOT recent. Robbie Gould is the only player still in the league from that team.

Marginally good?

In the late 90's they went 54-26 with five straight playoff appearances and two conference finals appearances.

Damn dude...you follow NFL less than I do.

Since I've been born...neither the Vikings nor the Bears have won a Super Bowl. I don't really care about before I was born.

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I'll be talking about the 2022 World Series 10 years from now. Not the three peat from 2016-2018.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

The Vikings haven't won a Super Bowl since Walt and Mr Reason were born.

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