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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:07 am 
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sometimes people have nicknames they themselves aren't even aware of. "Spider Monkey" might be what they call him and he may not realize it. I worked with a guy once who everyone called "Frankenberry" but nobody every called him Frankenberry to his face to my knowledge. To me, the only person who can clear this up for Bosio is the person or people he was talking to when referring to the player as "Spider Monkey".

After your first sentence, I thought you were joking, but you appear serious.


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If one were to make a racist comment like that to a black person wouldn't it be a form of primate other than a spider monkey? That specific monkey seems an odd choice. Being a poster here saying Planet of the Apes is more off putting to me I would think.


Spider monkey would seem to be attributed to a guy who is all arms and legs and flexible


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If one were to make a racist comment like that to a black person wouldn't it be a form of primate other than a spider monkey? That specific monkey seems an odd choice. Being a poster here saying Planet of the Apes is more off putting to me I would think.


Spider monkey would seem to be attributed to a guy who is all arms and legs and flexible

Which makes it a strange nickname for the guy he supposedly was referencing.

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 Post subject: Re: The Detroit Tigers
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So, Bosio definitely called someone a Spider Monkey. There were two people there. A black clubhouse worker and a white pitcher who denies that he's ever been called that.


Hmmm....

Is it easier to believe that an mlb lifer who has been around black players his whole life chooses this moment in this social climate to call a black person a monkey thereby torpedoing any chance of ever working in MLB again?

Your bending this into a certain point.

Its very simple.

Im sure Bosio thought the worker didnt hear it or would take it in jest or didnt have the power to do anything about it.
im not bending anything . Just using Occams Razor .

A guy with a long history of success was quickly fired by a team for allegedly calling a clubhouse attendant Spider Monkey.

The guy who got fired claims he was talking about a white pitcher.

You believe the simplest explanation is the white guy who got fired is telling the truth? Wouldnt the simplest explanation be that he got caught making a dumb remark and is trying to walk it back or do damage control?


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 Post subject: Re: The Detroit Tigers
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So, Bosio definitely called someone a Spider Monkey. There were two people there. A black clubhouse worker and a white pitcher who denies that he's ever been called that.


Hmmm....

Is it easier to believe that an mlb lifer who has been around black players his whole life chooses this moment in this social climate to call a black person a monkey thereby torpedoing any chance of ever working in MLB again?

Your bending this into a certain point.

Its very simple.

Im sure Bosio thought the worker didnt hear it or would take it in jest or didnt have the power to do anything about it.
im not bending anything . Just using Occams Razor .

A guy with a long history of success was quickly fired by a team for allegedly calling a clubhouse attendant Spider Monkey.

The guy who got fired claims he was talking about a white pitcher.

You believe the simplest explanation is the white guy who got fired is telling the truth? Wouldnt the simplest explanation be that he got caught making a dumb remark and is trying to walk it back or do damage control?

Not when its a such an easily dispelled lie, no . I mean it may be true but I’d like to think that Bosio isn’t that stupid .

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 Post subject: Re: The Detroit Tigers
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If Chris bosio was a poc he'd be slapped on the wrist and still working. It could be a nickname he calls the player only he knows. He should know to be more on guard when he's amoung poc for reasons like this. His name isn't stained for this nonsense. Wife beaters in sports get outrageous minimal punishment ...bosio gets fired for a misunderstanding.


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this doesn't make sense. even if he called a black guy a spider monkey, its a perfectly reasonable thing to call a person as calling someone a spider monkey when they are long armed and long legged is pretty common. i'm whiter than snow and was called a spider monkey in hs and college when i played soccer.

i get we have to be terribly careful around black people and referring to any of our 2 legged brethren but some of this stuff is just absurd. see the guerilla warfare the one dude got fired for saying during a williams tennis match.


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If Chris bosio was a poc he'd be slapped on the wrist and still working. It could be a nickname he calls the player only he knows. He should know to be more on guard when he's amoung poc for reasons like this. His name isn't stained for this nonsense. Wife beaters in sports get outrageous minimal punishment ...bosio gets fired for a misunderstanding.

Latino Astros player gets one game suspension for the slanty eyes gesture .

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Bosio's story is that someone in the coach's room asked him about Stumpf, which he says is when he says he calls him "spider monkey" as a nickname, and Bosio did not say whether he actually calls Stumpf that to his face.


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Tigers wanted Bosio gone before his comment.

Otherwise this could've been easily handled in-house.


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Tigers wanted Bosio gone before his comment.

Otherwise this could've been easily handled in-house.

See I don’t get that logic . Coaches are fired all the time . Why wait for something to crop up as an excuse ? Just fire him. Happens all the time .

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 Post subject: Re: The Detroit Tigers
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Tigers wanted Bosio gone before his comment.

Otherwise this could've been easily handled in-house.

See I don’t get that logic . Coaches are fired all the time . Why wait for something to crop up as an excuse ? Just fire him. Happens all the time .

He was just hired this year.

Saves the embarrassment of management. Now it's shifted on Bosio.


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 Post subject: Re: The Detroit Tigers
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This should be a great lawsuit. "Chris Bosio's lawyer calls to the stand, his black friend!".

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 Post subject: Re: The Detroit Tigers
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I'm still confused on the potential allegation. They are saying he was talking to a white guy and called another player (presumably black) a "spider monkey", got fired, and is changing his story to say that he was actually calling the white guy he was conversing with a "spider monkey"?

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 Post subject: Re: The Detroit Tigers
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I'm still confused on the potential allegation. They are saying he was talking to a white guy and called another player (presumably black) a "spider monkey", got fired, and is changing his story to say that he was actually calling the white guy he was conversing with a "spider monkey"?

They = Bosio.

Tigers aren't saying anything.


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 Post subject: Re: The Detroit Tigers
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I'm still confused on the potential allegation. They are saying he was talking to a white guy and called another player (presumably black) a "spider monkey", got fired, and is changing his story to say that he was actually calling the white guy he was conversing with a "spider monkey"?
It's only his side of the story but I'm guessing the attendant thought it was a reference to him, Bosio then used the excuse that it was the nickname of a pitcher, and the pitcher was like "Um, no he or anyone has never called me that." and that was it. The whole thing seems bizarre all around.

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 Post subject: Re: The Detroit Tigers
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Well, we don't know what happened, of course, but I would say the context in which he said it matters. Maybe we'll never know.

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 Post subject: Re: The Detroit Tigers
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Sort of along the lines of this discussion, I find the relationship between players and coaches at the highest level to be an interesting one. Technically, Bosio or any position coach is higher up on the hierarchy than the players. But if you were on a team with Greg Maddux or Pedro Martinez or Pedro Strop, is the coach really the "technical expert" of the bunch? If you wanted advice on a changeup, are you going to ask Chris Bosio or Greg Maddux?

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in college, there was a girl with one ear who everyone used to call van gogh without her knowledge


It's less refined, but there was a girl we called MC Pee Pants.


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It's less refined, but there was a girl we called MC Pee Pants.


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Surely that's because she was a great artist, right you chauvinistic pig?

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I believe there was a basketball player of fairly recent vintage with the nickname "spider monkey"

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 Post subject: Re: The Detroit Tigers
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Former Tigers pitching coach​ Chris Bosio directed​ a racial​ slur​ toward a clubhouse attendant following a game​ this past​​ week, The Athletic has learned, precipitating his firing Wednesday.
Bosio called the attendant, who is African-American, a “monkey,” according to four team sources. The remark was directed toward the young man, who was collecting towels from the coaches’ room at the time, during a post-game gripe session in which Bosio was lamenting about a pitcher.

During this exchange, Bosio made a derogatory comment about one of the Tigers pitchers and then gestured toward the attendant before adding, “like this monkey here,” the sources said. The attendant pushed back at Bosio for the comment, and an additional team employee witnessed the exchange. Bosio was provided an opportunity to apologize to the attendant after his outburst but declined to do so, according to multiple sources.

These sources spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly on the matter.

It took less than 48 hours for the Tigers to conduct an internal investigation, led by general manager Al Avila and the team’s general counsel and assistant general manager John Westhoff, who is in his 15th season with the Tigers. Westhoff has a background in labor law and previously worked for Major League Baseball. The move was made swiftly and, according to one source, the decision to fire Bosio was unanimous, with essentially no dissent among team leadership.

In the statement issued by the team immediately following his dismissal, the Tigers noted that Bosio’s actions violated the “Uniform Employee contract” and that his “insensitive comments” violated team policy.

According to Avila, Bosio was fired prior to Wednesday’s game and the team was notified prior to the club’s 3-0 loss to the Oakland Athletics.

“For me, and our organization, we felt this was a much-needed move,” Avila said on Wednesday.

Bosio did not return messages seeking comment. Avila and Westhoff could not be immediately reached for comment on Friday. A spokesperson for team owner Chris Ilitch did not immediately return messages. The Tigers declined to comment on the specifics of the incident, beyond the team’s official statement on Wednesday.

In his first public comments following his dismissal, Bosio told USA Today on Thursday that he was “in shock” over what had transpired and the 55-year-old former MLB pitcher said that his comments were misinterpreted. Bosio claimed that he was referring to Tigers reliever Daniel Stumpf as “Spider Monkey” because of the strange faces the lefty makes when he works out. Bosio claimed that this is Stumpf’s nickname, and that the clubhouse attendant heard the word “monkey.”

“I’ve got [sic] protect myself someway,’’ Bosio said, according to USA Today, “because this is damaging as hell to me. I’ve got to fight for myself. Everyone knows this is not me. I didn’t use any profanity. There was no vulgarity. The N-word wasn’t used. No racial anything. It was a comment, and a nickname we used for a player.

“This kid and I had a great relationship. This kid played jokes on me all spring, and I told him, ‘Now you’re offended, because you heard the word ‘monkey,’ or ‘spider monkey,’ and it’s not even directed at you.’’

“We crack fat jokes on our trainer every day. All kinds of things are said in a baseball clubhouse. And for this to happen to me?

“I don’t know what else to say, but I know I don’t deserve this.’’


Stumpf told The Detroit Free Press Thursday night that he was not aware of that nickname. All four sources who spoke to The Athletic disputed Bosio’s account.

The rebuilding Tigers brought in Bosio to work with the club’s young staff because of his reputation as a shrewd teacher whose hand-on methods seemed to coax the most out of his charges. He was, from all indications, very well liked by the club’s pitchers, many of whom were already thriving under Bosio’s tutelage and enjoyed his fastidious and individually-tailored approach.

Players were stunned to hear the news and some said they had no knowledge of what happened until that team meeting on Wednesday.

“We all understand the nature of this business and the world we live in, and some things are unacceptable,” Wilson said. “From what we were told, it crossed those lines, and it is what it is. I don’t know the exact content of what was said. I just know it crossed a barrier that is unforgivable.”

In the wake of Bosio’s sudden dismissal, former bullpen coach Rick Anderson has been promoted to working with the team’s pitchers. Anderson spent over a decade as manager Ron Gardenhire’s pitching coach during their time with the Twins organization and is already familiar with the team’s staff.

“We’re just going to go about our business, and it’ll be fine,” Gardenhire said on Thursday. “It happens and we can’t do too much about it.”

While Bosio seemed to enjoy strong reviews among his pitchers prior to the incident, the same support was not shared in all corners of the clubhouse. Several sources told The Athletic that his personality grated on fellow members of the team’s coaching staff as well as support staff members, and that he had become increasingly alienated as a result.

According to these sources, Bosio was forceful about his own objectives (defensive shifts were a source of particular frustration) and showed little receptivity to outside ideas. His brash demeanor and unwillingness to work collaboratively caused clashes with other personalities on staff.

One MLB source described Bosio as “ornery” and another indicated that his polarizing personality was what hastened his departure from the Chicago Cubs in 2017. Though Bosio helped mold a staff that went on to win a World Series title in 2016, he was not retained this offseason, when the club announced in October that it would not exercise the 2018 club option on Bosio’s contract. It was a move that was initially met with some surprise, though Cubs president of baseball operations Theo Epstein had previously indicated that the team was displeased with the staff’s high walk rate, which he deemed “unacceptable.”

If Bosio decides to pursue a lawsuit against the Tigers, it will not be his only pending legal action. Bosio has multiple liens and judgments against him and he continues to be embroiled in proceedings with his ex-wife, Suzanne, for whom he filed for divorce in 2012 and was granted a divorce in 2014.


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Bosio should post here. We are much more lenient with calling people monkey.

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Bosio makes fat jokes about OTHER people?


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Bosio is toast. No one to blame but himself, but he's probably going to be broke now (with the divorce, liens, and essentially being blackballed from MLB). Maybe he can earn some side money in private trying to help Hendricks.

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Could've been as easy as:

Bosio: "Hey, I'm sorry, that was inappropriate."
Attendant: OK, thank you,
Tigers: Bosio, you need to take 2 hour online sensitivity course.

Case closed.


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Could've been as easy as:

Bosio: "Hey, I'm sorry, that was inappropriate."
Attendant: OK, thank you,
Tigers: Bosio, you need to take 2 hour online sensitivity course.

Case closed.


Bosio is a dumbass

Yeah he is . How you think you’re going to get away with saying something like that is beyond stupid.
He’s finished in baseball .

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:lol: That person should @jack about it

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