Ah....skip it...too easy...

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It's not a controversial stance to have. The controversy comes during the discussion of what/how much to do and how to go about doing it, which is what I think the core discussion is here.

Didn't Ray Charles demand to be paid in singles so he always knew how much he was paid?

Maybe we should just get rid of the higher denominations of bills. A low cost and easy solution.

No. It was because he was gonna put all the cash in a plastic bag, head down to a club, and make it rain.

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What would you do for the people without the mental capacity to do math, or hands to open their wallets?

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Im guessing not too many people with severely diminshed mental capacity live on their own, unassisted, many blind people do. Im also guessing there are significantly more blind people then people with both hands missing. Even in that case Im sure there are ways similar to prosthetic legs to help them.

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The two severely blind people I know have told me that it is a convention for the blind to specifically ask for fresh 10-dollar bills when getting money from the bank, so that the variation in the types of bills they carry is relatively small (just 10s, 5s, and 1s) and they can immediately tell the difference between 10s and lower demoninations just by feel (10s are fresher, while the 5s and 1s have been circulated.)

They will drink RC and they will like it!

Hey Hey Ho Ho This sugar party's got to go.

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RC is the King of Colas.

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I would be surprised that someone without the mental capacity to do math would be allowed to handle money independently. But, assuming that they are, there is no reasonable accommodation that can be provided for someone to who can't do math to use the monetary system. Even given a calculator, the numbers would be nonsensical to them.

Blind people have the necessary mental capacity to utilize the system but are unable to do so due to the means that the government has chosen for monetary transactions (dollar bills).

People without hands shouldn't use wallets. Seriously, that is their choice and not a necessary function of the monetary system. They can make their own accommodations. Knowing the denominations is necessary and the system requires us to look at them since they are printed.

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I didn't choose this monetary system, it chose me.

Debit cards are not full proof either.

1) It would be relatively easy to alter the payment amount since there is no audible prompts or announcements. $14.55 can become $145.50 with one keystroke.

2) You can "steal" the pin since the blind person can't tell you are watching them.

That's just a couple problems off the top of my head. I'm sure there is many others.
At least with currency you can minimize your risk to the amount on hand.
With electronic payment, a person's whole identity is at risk.

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I'd certainly say mine is. That fucker never has enough left on it.

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Being sighted or blind changes nothing in your scenarios. People get their pins stolen all the time with capture inserts or the old cell phone camera. I have had the 14.55 turn into 145.50 as well, thru an auto pay.
These are risks we assume when using money. Wouldn't change if they could see or not. Same risk.

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Sunglasses discriminate against the blind.

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What's to stop them?
The people paying the bills at my company are morons. They don't have the mental capacity for much of anything.

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FavreFan, I think you would be surprised at how many mentally ill people are living in the community. To get them into a CILA (Community Integrated Living Arangement) is pretty tough and once they have been identified as being eligible for a CILA it can take months to get admitted. So as a bandaid DMH developed programs like the ACT Program, Ascertive Community Treatment, where clients receive major intensive case management in order to maintain them in the community, and hopefully prevent/minimize decpmpensation or hospitalization....

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True,
But the visual validation is the first safeguard you use at the point of transaction.

I'll give you an example that I ain't so proud of:

I lived on a handicapped accessible floor in the dorms with 3-5 blind guys.
One night we got drunk and pissed on the TP rolls in every stall.
Any sighted person realized that there was no TP available before they took care of business. The blind guys realized it after reaching for the paper.
It was a subtle difference, but as you point out both sighted and blind users were affected.

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Helen Keller was accused of wiping her ass with $100 bills. Also, answering the Iron and her parents punished her by moving the bed room around .

Helen Keller + SlapShot ED = MATCH!!

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Thanks to you I now feel like a shithead for laughing pretty hard at that story. Maybe I am doomed after all.

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Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

I'll save you a spot close to the fire

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and her leg was yellow because her dog was blind too

Ban all sound. And verbal communication. Poke your eyes out too.

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Middle Aged Crazy, like Uncle Terry

Geeze thanks, Sis. That was real sweet.

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Easy solution, w/o no one incurring extra cost, and actually saving the government money:

Now: Eliminate singles and pennies. Both are a waste of money. Use dollar coins instead and they can go in the spot in cash drawers vacated by the pennies. Dollar coins last years, bills just a few months. For now if blind people have trouble distinguishing between bills they can just use all fives and round out the rest with dollar coins. Even if they have $300 cash on them (the most an ATM spits out but too much for anyone to carry, let alone a blind person who is more at risk of being mugged) that is max 60 bills - bulky but managable.

Down the road: Give the banks the specs on the new bill sizes and give them 10 years to replace their ATMs. You never see ATMs that old anyway. Then rollout the new bills.

Wouldn't a dollar coin cost more to make than paper? I think the gentlemen's club lobby would have a problem with this scenario.

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The girls could get a fanny pac for the coins....

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