You're our resident cycling guy. Would you agree that it's impossible to win a race like the Tour at this point without any "help"?

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having never hung around a professional cycling event or had any first-hand contact with any pro cycling teams i cant say for sure, but i can certainly feel comfortable saying that anyone these days who wins the tour is open game for scrutiny. especially guys like armstrong and alberto contador who are clearly head and shoulders out-performing everyone. the last 2 tours felt to me a little more like the way things should be. no one contender going out and dominating the mountains day after day leaving you wondering how the fuck one guy can recover that fast. this year and last year nobody jumped out of the tv and looked instantly like a cheater. but if they all are cheating, who knows?

I really don't put a moral judgment on it. If everyone is cheating, a cheater is going to win. But if everyone is cheating, is it really cheating at all? The problem is that we're supposed to be interested in the best athlete rather than the best chemist.

We have the same issues in horse racing. At the top levels nobody is racing "cold". You just can't. But there are things I wouldn't do to a horse that maybe other guys might. If you can't live with that, I guess you have to get out of the game. I can think of one specific incident where I was mumbling to myself after the race, feeling I got beat by drugs rather than horseflesh and training. But it is what it is.

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I love the term horseflesh. It sounds so archaic.

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But what do you mean by everyone? Everyone who is racing. What about people who might be damn good cyclists, but don't want to put shit into their bodies, and therefore aren't racing?

I agree. I'm sure there are also those who would love to play major college football but don't want to juice up and therefore aren't playing. That's the moral and societal question. Not whether the guys who won are really "winners".

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that's because you're a bloody, stinking dothraki.

http://msn.foxsports.com/cycling/story/ ... ban-102212

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The agency said 20 of the 21 riders on the podium in the Tour from 1999 through 2005 have been ''directly tied to likely doping through admissions, sanctions, public investigations'' or other means.

95.2%
Fraud "sport"

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the comment i was responding to earlier in the thread stated that 95% of the sport dopes, not 95% of the winners or 95% of the podium finishers. naturally the cheaters rise to the top and find themselves on the podium, but i find it very unlikely that 95% of the participants of any of the major tours are doping.

RPB and I having a solid twitter convo this morning about Lance. I think a lot of companies are making a knee jerk reaction cutting his endorsement deals. Six months from now they'll be begging to sign him back. Cancer sells and Livestrong is a donation power house. The narrative will chance to focus on him surviving a near terminal cancer diagnosis instead of the bike.

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Team Cutler.

If 95% of the winners are doping, it would stand to reason that at least 95% of those who aren't winning would be cheating as well. Why wouldn't the 2nd, 3rd, 10th, 25th, and 49th place finishers be doping to attempt to beat out those who are doping?

Regardless of exact numbers, still completely a fraud sport at this point.

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none of us can say for sure how many are doping, i just find it unlikely. frank, im not arguing with you about this point: the sport is dirty. ive never stated anything otherwise. i think it is a sad state of affairs for people who enjoy the sport.

the saddest part is that doping didn't make the sport interesting whatsoever. at least in baseball it produced home runs.

I think its important to point out that this is the Tour de FRANCE... most people are just fine with cheating as long as it continues America's dominance of those cheese-eating surrender monkeys and everything they love.

www.nytimes.com/2013/01/05/sports/cycli ... .html?_r=0

Surprising to no one.

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This is wil cause approximately 8-10 people in the US and all French reporters to uncontrollably orgasm. The rest of world will continue to not care about a guy who was the former world's best at exercising.

fuck lance armstrong

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