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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:46 pm 
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The whole concept of a little league national/world championship is kind of ridiculous anyway


The whole concept of travel anything is kind of ridiculous. At least before high school.


I think 7th grade...13? is OK....but yes, travel is a joke. Doesnt allow kids to work on skills because they are playing in games and driving all day. You dont get better thay way at all, your improvement on that level is just natural ability.

They usually play several games at one location over a 2-3 day period so they're not driving somewhere everyday. Does your Nephew still play on Elite? They practice a lot especially over the off season.


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Costs too much and makes them declare a sport too early. They should be playing everything with their friends. I wonder how much burn out there is. I don't know how it all started or how the goofball sold it as a good idea. Drive me nuts. Yar.


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My experience with the travel and fall ball thing is it short changes kids these days. All baseball all the time. I admit I was a football coach and thus lost out on talented kids in the fall.

I think before HS kids should be more well rounded. One reason is they can burn out ala Marinovich or worse you miss out on a great player in one sport because they were too focused on another. Think about Elway, Frank Thomas or maybe Bo etc. If they never tried another sport they may have missed out on the opportunity. The opportunity that is a million to one shot anyway.

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Costs too much and makes them declare a sport too early. They should be playing everything with their friends. I wonder how much burn out there is. I don't know how it all started or how the goofball sold it as a good idea. Drive me nuts. Yar.


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Costs too much and makes them declare a sport too early. They should be playing everything with their friends. I wonder how much burn out there is. I don't know how it all started or how the goofball sold it as a good idea. Drive me nuts. Yar.

My son is a sophomore in high school and still plays 3 sports

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The whole concept of a little league national/world championship is kind of ridiculous anyway


The whole concept of travel anything is kind of ridiculous. At least before high school.


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There are kids 4th grade and younger that can't afford or can't schedule another sport because of a travel/competitive program they are in.


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My experience with the travel and fall ball thing is it short changes kids these days. All baseball all the time. I admit I was a football coach and thus lost out on talented kids in the fall.

I think before HS kids should be more well rounded. One reason is they can burn out ala Marinovich or worse you miss out on a great player in one sport because they were too focused on another. Think about Elway, Frank Thomas or maybe Bo etc. If they never tried another sport they may have missed out on the opportunity. The opportunity that is a million to one shot anyway.

Very true Mike.


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And part of the reason you do travel is you can't find the practice time in your area. It is amazing to me all of the thoughts by ones that don't have kids or kids that are not at the age to where it is maybe time to travel with them. The fellowship and life long friends made on some of the trips can't be replaced.


It is pretty amazing when you think about it.

But the lack of self-awareness displayed daily by many on this board makes it expected at this point

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I was on a traveling soccer team. I think I started at 10 or 11. We were good. I was decent.

I didn't make the traveling baseball team. Though I was pissed. Because on the day of the tryout, I was good. Had a good batting practice. I was good in the field. Better than some kids that made the team. But the team was predetermined by the coach. I never had a fair shot.


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I didn't make the traveling baseball team. Though I was pissed. Because on the day of the tryout, I was good. Had a good batting practice. I was good in the field. Better than some kids that made the team. But the team was predetermined by the coach. I never had a fair shot.

At least you got over it

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Not at all. I don't like kids, don't have any of my own because of that. What I'm saying is cheating is cheating. It's significant in any situation, no matter how big or small.
I doubt you follow that line of thinking in your life. Some things just aren't that important. Youth sports is one of them even if others treat it like it matters.



Besides that, I wouldn't even call this cheating. It was rule breaking. Nobody was cheated. Those teams got their asses beat on the field fair and square.

Ummm...isn't rule breaking a form of cheating?


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I think position players need to play a lot of baseball because they're already at a disadvantage because of the weather. They need to get as many AB's as possible. Many pitchers play football or basketball all thru high school because it's good for them to rest their arms. Plus pitchers are always the best athletes so it's a given that they excel in other sports.


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I didn't make the traveling baseball team. Though I was pissed. Because on the day of the tryout, I was good. Had a good batting practice. I was good in the field. Better than some kids that made the team. But the team was predetermined by the coach. I never had a fair shot.[/quote]
At least you got over it[/quote]
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I didn't make the traveling baseball team. Though I was pissed. Because on the day of the tryout, I was good. Had a good batting practice. I was good in the field. Better than some kids that made the team. But the team was predetermined by the coach. I never had a fair shot.

At least you got over it


Never will.


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This is a clear assumption, but I am assuming they were cleared earlier because they provided false addresses somehow, then it was later they found the certain kids didn't really live at those addresses and lived outside the boundaries. I know none of this to be true, but I would think it would be something like that.


The coach provided LL with a doctored map

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Now Rahm gets involved.


Mayor Rahm Emanuel has asked Little League officials to reverse their decision to strip the Chicago champions of their U.S. title Wednesday.
Emanuel fought for JRW in a lengthy phone call with Little League International President and CEO Stephen Keener Wednesday in effort to have them change their mind, the mayor's office confirmed.
The mayor made it clear that by stripping the team of the title, the league was making the children the perpetrators, when they are the victims, a source confirms.
"The normal and natural reaction is to be heartbroken, but I ask everybody to remember how much these kids showed their real character," Emanuel said earlier Wednesday during a sit-down interview with Telemundo Chicago.
While the mayor agrees the punishment deserves to go to someone, it should not fall on the children.
And he's not the only one calling on officials to reverse the decision.
City leaders, parents and Jackie Robinson West players called on Little League officials to reverse their decision to strip the Chicago champions of their U.S. title over residency violations, saying that the team doesn’t deserve to be punished.
JRW was stripped of its Little League World Series national championship title Wednesday after officials determined the South Side team added top suburban players in violation of residency rules.


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Rahm just wants to make sure The Community votes for him again in case Obama can't bring it home.

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Now Rahm gets involved.


Mayor Rahm Emanuel has asked Little League officials to reverse their decision to strip the Chicago champions of their U.S. title Wednesday.
Emanuel fought for JRW in a lengthy phone call with Little League International President and CEO Stephen Keener Wednesday in effort to have them change their mind, the mayor's office confirmed.
The mayor made it clear that by stripping the team of the title, the league was making the children the perpetrators, when they are the victims, a source confirms.
"The normal and natural reaction is to be heartbroken, but I ask everybody to remember how much these kids showed their real character," Emanuel said earlier Wednesday during a sit-down interview with Telemundo Chicago.
While the mayor agrees the punishment deserves to go to someone, it should not fall on the children.
And he's not the only one calling on officials to reverse the decision.
City leaders, parents and Jackie Robinson West players called on Little League officials to reverse their decision to strip the Chicago champions of their U.S. title over residency violations, saying that the team doesn’t deserve to be punished.
JRW was stripped of its Little League World Series national championship title Wednesday after officials determined the South Side team added top suburban players in violation of residency rules.


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Not at all. I don't like kids, don't have any of my own because of that. What I'm saying is cheating is cheating. It's significant in any situation, no matter how big or small.
I doubt you follow that line of thinking in your life. Some things just aren't that important. Youth sports is one of them even if others treat it like it matters.



Besides that, I wouldn't even call this cheating. It was rule breaking. Nobody was cheated. Those teams got their asses beat on the field fair and square.

Ummm...isn't rule breaking a form of cheating?


Not necessarily.

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Rahm just wants to make sure The Community votes for him again in case Obama can't bring it home.


Correct.

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Costs too much and makes them declare a sport too early. They should be playing everything with their friends. I wonder how much burn out there is. I don't know how it all started or how the goofball sold it as a good idea. Drive me nuts. Yar.


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Besides that, I wouldn't even call this cheating. It was rule breaking. Nobody was cheated. Those teams got their asses beat on the field fair and square.[/quote]
Ummm...isn't rule breaking a form of cheating?[/quote]

Not necessarily.[/quote]
Explain why?


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You can break a rule unknowingly/unwittingly ... you can only cheat on purpose, with intent.

Just so we're clear, this is a case of cheating, plain and simple.

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You can break a rule unknowingly/unwittingly ... you can only cheat on purpose, with intent.

Bullshit. They knew what they were doing.


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Why can't they just asterisk the win and suspend the program? This retroactive history-rewriting is stupid when the NCAA does it and even stupider when they do it to middle schoolers.

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Why can't they just asterisk the win and suspend the program? This retroactive history-rewriting is stupid when the NCAA does it and even stupider when they do it to middle schoolers.


As I suggested earlier, it's preposterous to just hand the championship off to the next outfit. There should be no champion for this year at all ... nobody earned it on, or off, the field. That's still true to history then.

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Why can't they just asterisk the win and suspend the program? This retroactive history-rewriting is stupid when the NCAA does it and even stupider when they do it to middle schoolers.


As I suggested earlier, it's preposterous to just hand the championship off to the next outfit. There should be no champion for this year at all ... nobody earned it on, or off, the field. That's still true to history then.

Jackie Robinson West won. They won with a few kids from out of bounds, but it's not as if they sent out a whole starting nine of STUDS from San Diego. It was more a win than a not-a-win, if that makes sense. I just don't think unringing the bell does anyone any good. Punish the adults, not the kids.

We need a backronym for STUDS, by the way.

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You can break a rule unknowingly/unwittingly ... you can only cheat on purpose, with intent.

Bullshit. They knew what they were doing.


We're gonna have to work on your reading and comprehension ... give it another go.

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We need a backronym for STUDS, by the way.


STUDS was a great show.


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