Definitely understandable.

Im just saying what I believe is probably true. Could be bullshit. None of us really know.

To clarify, it's a guy she is quoting.

Yep.

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What's your angle here?

Other than Antarctica landed in the right place...

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Well that employee might be a former employee.

you really don’t care how many people die from this do you?

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That'd be a shame. Deserves a raise

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Stories like this are sad. Everyone is turning on one another. The videos of mask-wearers confronting and scolding people and making asses out of themselves, and in cases like this where the guy cant just play ball and wear a mask at a store where it is required. The worker is just doing his job, and then HE pepper sprays a guy like he is some kind of law-enforcement agent and escalates problems even further. Our society is destroying each other and the lack of compassion and cooperation is scary.

The anti mask guy was assaulting another customer. Should the employee have sat back and watched? Tackled the guy? Pepper spray seems like the safest solution for all involved.

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I agree.

I've bitched about wearing a mask as much as anyone here. I hate it, I don't think the government actually has the authority to mandate it anywhere and are making up the powers to do so, but I have zero tolerance for these assholes throwing tantrums in stores that require them. A store has every right to require one. Pepper spray is the very least that these assholes deserve

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i don't know. my comment was less on the incident and more on society in general. Assholes all over, mask-wearing assholes cant cope with a person with no mask on, cant just avoid him or her so they make a scene that invalidates their mask concerns in the first place. Asshole non-mask-wearers in a store that has a mandatory mask policy making trouble and starts freaking out like it is some kind of surprise when they tell him to mask up. And grocery store employees arming themselves with pepper spray to incapacitate shoppers like vigilantes. And all of them are convnced they are right and will never be convinced otherwise. It's just a sad commentary on humanity.

This guy gets it.

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I don't see how you can possibly blame the grocery store worker for anything here. These folks are put in an impossible situation. Just a week or two ago on here you had posters saying Costco workers arent doing their job and need to enforce the mask wearing policy and not leave it to the Karens of the world to cause a scene. Ok, this guy did that in the safest way he could.

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When it's hot I'd rather not wear a shirt. But when I go in to a store I put one on. Why? Because even if there is no sign it's still the right thing to do. Yet I can probably make a better argument for shopping shirtless (and barefoot and pantsless too for that matter) than I can for shopping maskless.

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"I honestly don't see a good bet on the board here."

I don't see it.

I'm out and about quite a bit and it is always the anti mask folks with the itchy trigger.

My wife is as vigilant as anyone and she doesn't make a scene in public about anti maskers. She just steers a wide berth around them and complains to me via text or at home.

Most people I see, aren't wearing masks unless they walk into a restaurant or store.

The people entering establishments without the required masks are always itching for a confrontation.

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I am very sympathetic to all workers right now, which is why i mask up and play by the rules set forth in the store. Without seeing an actual video of the guy freaking out (is there one?) and knowing what led up to the pepper spraying itself, it is hard for me to judge the worker. Yes id rather the asshole get pepper sprayed then a woman get seriously hurt but i also dont like the idea of workers in stores now being emboldened to arm themselves with pepper spray to subdue people who are acting up. Cheers to him if the lady was in serious danger. I guess maybe i would favor an approach where you ask the guy to mask up and if he says no everyone takes a breath and you keep it mellow and maybe get the manager or call the cops or just quietly let the guy shop. Its better to have a rogue guy with a mask in the store than have something like this, isnt it?

I'm not disagreeing with you I dont think. I have seen assholes on both sides and I always scratch my head. I have seen more maskers freaking out towards non-maskers but my feeling is the same regardless. Maybe just be decent and stay away from each other instead of making an ass out of yourself.

Yup.

I'm not convinced that destroying civilization will save lives and even if I were it's likely still a bad idea.

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I think we can all agree (maybe) that if you enter a store where a mask is required without one you are looking for problems (asshole). I think we can also agree that if you see someone in a store not wearing a mask in a store where it isn't required and starts screaming and mask-shaming (which I have seen personally), those people are assholes too. And mask-wearers who confront non-mask wearing people in a store where masks are required are CORRECT that they should be wearing a mask but ASSHOLES for making a big scene when they could just shake their heads and walk away and avoid him like we should. You aren't going to change the guys mind freaking on him in a store and if sometimes leads to unnecessary conflict.

Not sure about that. I get what you are saying, but I don't think it's a good look to make "exceptions" to avoid confrontation. You're then enabling the entitled behavior of those who think the rules dont apply to them.

I'm personally very good with arming grocery store workers with pepper spray to use on these assholes. As I said, I'd endorse anything that's close to a zero tolerance policy. Make it very understood that people can't do whatever the fuck they want in a private estbalishment.

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The increasing inability to cope with someone not wearing a mask to the point where we are promoting the idea of public shaming and potential conflict is scary to me. I'm not saying the non-mask wearer is right - he clearly was wrong. However if your establishment institutes a mandatory mask policy you need to be prepared with a plan of action to support it. If that plan of action is to confront the guy into a freakout and then subdue with pepper spray, maybe you need to go over the policy again.

What policy would you recommend for a belligerent asshole who won't listen to you? Sure, you can call the cops and wait a half hour while he causes a huge scene and in this case starts endangering other shoppers. I don't think that's a good policy though.

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My policy regarding masks if i was a business owner would be suggesting masks be worn and not make some kind of hard-line stand that is impossible to enforce without possibly creating conflict. They are victims of their own policy. Request people wear them, and if you are a mask-wearer and you see a guy without a mask avoid them if it makes you uncomfortable. Which is how it should be in the first place. Most people can cope with that. Just because you see a person without a mask doesn't mean your life is in jeopardy.

But we're talking grocery store chains, not small businesses.

I agree with your point about the proliferation of selfish, assholish behavior. That's why I support taking as hard of a stance as legally possible to deal with people acting like that. Appeasement increases entitlement and will increase the number of customers who think they can get away with being a selfish asshole.

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Wearing masks and trying to reduce cases through more testing, contact tracing, gradual reopening is destroying civilization?

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Here's why the conflicts are phony, though. If your whole point is fear of catching something from an unmasked person, why not just stay away from them rather than confront them? But it isn't really about safety. It's about being a fucking authoritarian.

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I want you to live in a bubble and have a chip implanted for tracing to avoid deaths. Who will that hurt?

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I'm taking about any business that takes it on themselves to make a "mandatory" policy such as you must wear masks. If you make that policy you are saying you are willing to take on the responsibility to self-police using whatever methods you choose, and those methods may lead to conflict that is totally unnecessary. The people that are masked up and taking precautions are perfectly safe if Chuck is over in the frozen pizza aisle without a mask or Janet is grabbing spaghetti sauce in aisle 3. If everyone is minding their own business doing what makes them comfortable safety-wise, everything is good. OR...we can confront everyone that doesn't conform and possibly end up on the news for a net gain of zero extra safety gained.

you really don’t care how many people die from this do you?[/quote]

I'm not convinced that destroying civilization will save lives and even if I were it's likely still a bad idea.[/quote]

Wearing masks and trying to reduce cases through more testing, contact tracing, gradual reopening is destroying civilization?[/quote]

I want you to live in a bubble and have a chip implanted for tracing to avoid deaths. Who will that hurt?[/quote]

You are like trump, avoid direct answer of question and say something more stupid and untrue.

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