What is wrong is the one sided conversations coming out of it. Take for example the Opra thing coming out this week. Two nights 3 hours each night across all the Discovery channels. All the "guests" have one thing in common. Not one person of the opposite race, how can you have an honest conversation on race and how to fix it if you do not have the opposing view point. Just like how in CNN never has a legitimate conservative viewpoint on to talk. Shit on Fox News all you want but they at least put Liberals on and let them talk.

Kap had every right to protest but the opposite side had every right to say something back like it or not.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

The tactic this time does seem to be just totally silencing anyone who isn't lock-step, that much seems apparent. I have a strong personal distaste for that tactic, but it surely has mobilized the base. You cant argue its efficacy in that regard.

How it plays over the broader population remains to be seen.

That's more or less how I feel.

I like it because it's a time when lots of people get together with a single focus. It seems like a good time to get everyone to reflect for a minute or two on the ideals we believe in, and to honor veterans and to simply feel good about being an American.

Sometimes at Sox games, though, I'll see a Latina's hand over her heart and I'll think, "Man, I wish I wuz dat hand."

I have problems with political protest in the workplace. It's unprofessional. You check your religious and political beliefs at the door.

The man who has no country has no God, either.” – Dostoevsky

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Democrats now want people to be able to sue individual police officers. Because what America really needs is a whole new class of ambulance chasing predatory lawyers.

That's fine. Then they should go back to keeping the players in the locker room until after any pregame hoopla...like the anthem.

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Agreed. But they'll come out and kneel anyway.

Same as with players and coaches from both sides coming together in prayer circles on the field after games.

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Seriously you have to be the biggest burrito ever to really give a shit if someone stands for the goddamn anthem. If its part of a greater bad-faith work like Kaepernick by all means call it out for the money/attention-grab that it clearly is...but the act itself is fine. I hate these soft-ass leftists more as much as the next rational person, but damn if this "offended by not respecting the anthem" garbage isn't legitimately the gayest thing in actual human history.

Now if they actually come to ditch the anthem or change the flag by all means stand up. Which actually probably will happen tbh.

Shots fired at shakes

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

So, no kneeling for prayer, no kneeling for protest.

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You know how I can tell this has gone way overboard? I got a #BLM email from both Chewy.com and PetSmart.com

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/nationa ... gisMW4q0BE

Cant wait to see Ogie fawn over this guy as some sort of hero

I feel similarly though I'm not sure sporting events are the proper venue for that. But I suppose sports are one arena where Americans can all come together. Fuck those Cub fans though.

Seriously though, when we talk about "ideals we believe in" I'm not sure who "we" is anymore. It seems like there are a lot of Americans that don't like America. That's fine. We don't have to have America. But we do have to figure out what we will have.

I'm not even sure our elected "leaders" believe in America. They cancel Fourth of July celebrations while supporting protests against America. And we're kidding ourselves if we think that these protests don't have an anti-American subtext. People are being beaten just for holding the American flag.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

JORR,

I think that you're conflating "don't like America" with believing that America hasn't been near to living up to it's purported ideals.

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

I can't stand Roger Goodell and company. His product stinks and now he has caved to black activists and anarchists. Haven't totally made up my mind as yet and will see how this all shapes out but I may be done with NFL football. And a number of my friends are done with it already.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Its the people who have failed to live up the ideals, not the country or system. The people are accountable for their abysmal health and rampant criminality, even if they dont want to hear it.

I think for many that's probably a fair point. And I would agree that obviously America hasn't always lived up to her ideals, but I do think we've always made progress.

Anyway, my point wasn't to disparage those who don't like America even if I disagree with them. Like I said, we don't have to have America. And ultimately we won't. The America we have always known is not a permanent state.

Maybe it's time to consider some type of reconfiguration. I think there a lot of people who consider the Bill of Rights to be our highest values and many who think they don't matter at all. Perhaps some kind of amicable separation would be a good thing.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Well, If people would stop sending the same fucking idiots to office all the time and do as the Founding Fathers intended , we might get shit done

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

When its the people and not the country that are cited and criticized then it might be good for you to point this out.

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Well you have this issue where socially there is obviously tremendous impetus to break up the union but from an economic and security perspective such a move would be suicidal. It is obvious that people want to have their cake and eat it too in this regard.

I think the usual continuum is "I-we" or "individual-community." But now it seems like it's "we vs. we." There's less "I," and if you are on the side of "I," there's pressure to publicly choose a side.

This is why Antarctica is wrong when he says the system is fine. Unlimited terms and gerrymandering should not be allowed, and BOTH parties use these heavily to their advantage.

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Nobody wants to break up the union. Many want an authoritarian mandate that those "who disagree" be severely punished instead. People not interested in authoritarian mandates are hated by those who do.

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"When people want their version of the truth, they go find it, no matter how baseless their beliefs." -- Ken Rosenthal

An ideal America starts with ideal Americans and let's get real, forty percent morbid obesity with third world crime rates is not the ideal anything. The country has rot from the ground up.

RR says America hasn't come close to living up to its purported values. I am inferring that he says this because he is dissatisfied with the outcomes of MANY. Americans suck, and RR is absolutely right about that. I dont think anyone can possibly disagree that Americans suck. Everyone hates us around the world and then Americans hate each other about twice as much as the rest of the world hates them.

But I dont think that's the government's fault. I dont think its the system's fault. I think this system is fine, by and large. Its actually when we stray from the value of giving people equal opportunity for failure and success that I think we lose our way.

Absolutely. That's not to say an owner of a business can't do what he feels is best, but I personally have a problem with it. However, I have no right to dictate to he NFL what they can or cannot do. I'm not going to cancel them or boycott them. I respect their right to do what they think is in their best interests.

If you're protesting because you have a Democrat governor or you want a haircut and to sit inside Telegram Sam's restaurant and eat in the middle of a pandemic, you're an American who believes in her. If you're protesting because you're afraid someone is going to take your guns away, you are and American who believes in her. If you're protesting in support of the 14th amendment then you are clearly anti-American/don't like America and want to destroy the country. It's the same tired dog whistling every time.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

I don't think that's true. It's happening informally right now as people have been segregating themselves based upon political beliefs.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
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