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I thought seceding is traitorous—that anyone who tries to secede, successfully secedes, or joines up with another state to secede from the union is a traitor to our country. Isn't that what we're told every time the issue of confederate statues comes up, that they're all traitors?


It is traitorous and the Confederates were a bunch of traitors.


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You want equal justice? either pay Public Defenders more and hire more so they can defend poor people bettter orrrrrr abolish the office. Make all private lawyers have to take a certain amount of public cases per month as a price of doing business.

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The over policing, harassment and police abuse creates a particular outcome. The war on drugs and over policing of poor communication hasn't exactly made many of these communities better. In many cases they've made them worse despite the huge investment.

What came first, the crime or the cop?


Depends on the income of the community. If you live in an affluent community, it's definitely the crime. If you don't, it's probably the cop.


The reason that poor communities are over policed is that politicians were accused of abandoning them. The crime bill that was used to smear Biden now is a part of it. There was a demand for additional policing because crime was terrible. What will pulling the cops out do? There is some evidence to suggest murders will spike again.

It's June and Chicago already has more homicides that in all of 2019.


The Crime Bill had very little impact on local communities because it is a federal bill. Locally, there was a push for the state and local governments to "get tough on crime" and lock "those" people up and throw away the key. I don't think it was the poor who asked for more police. It was the lower middle class, middle class and affluent people who turned on their nightly news and picked up their daily papers and were convinced that some gang banger or evil poor man or woman was going to rape or murder them.

These things were pushed by the media and a developing law enforcement industry. Hiring more cops, taking criminals, guns and drugs off the street was supposed to make these upper class people feel safe. It worked for the affluent and some middle class communities. Not so much for lower middle class communities. Over policing and fewer economic opportunities absolutely devastated poor communities.

Today the same law enforcement industry is talking about criminal justice reform. Not because they're bleeding hearts, but because the bubble has burst. They've pretty much sucked the system dry and the tax base can't continue to support building more prisons or hiring more cops. "Reform" was going to come one way or another. This may have slightly accelerated the process.

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I thought seceding is traitorous—that anyone who tries to secede, successfully secedes, or joines up with another state to secede from the union is a traitor to our country. Isn't that what we're told every time the issue of confederate statues comes up, that they're all traitors?


It's still true and would be an absolute bloody disaster. Significantly worse than before.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
It's June and Chicago already has more homicides that in all of 2019.


This little bit of information is nowhere near close to being factual

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I thought seceding is traitorous—that anyone who tries to secede, successfully secedes, or joines up with another state to secede from the union is a traitor to our country. Isn't that what we're told every time the issue of confederate statues comes up, that they're all traitors?


It is traitorous and the Confederates were a bunch of traitors.
See? We can agree on stuff.


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You want equal justice? either pay Public Defenders more and hire more so they can defend poor people bettter orrrrrr abolish the office. Make all private lawyers have to take a certain amount of public cases per month as a price of doing business.


Paying public defenders won't change much. Due to over policing, our system would collapse if every defender demanded a trial. It continues to function at a snails pace because of plea deals.

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It's June and Chicago already has more homicides that in all of 2019.


This little bit of information is nowhere near close to being factual

Are you sure this time?


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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I thought seceding is traitorous—that anyone who tries to secede, successfully secedes, or joines up with another state to secede from the union is a traitor to our country. Isn't that what we're told every time the issue of confederate statues comes up, that they're all traitors?


It is traitorous and the Confederates were a bunch of traitors.
See? We can agree on stuff.


Sort of similar to how Marcus Garvey and the KKK agreed on "things"?

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
long time guy wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
It's June and Chicago already has more homicides that in all of 2019.


This little bit of information is nowhere near close to being factual

Are you sure this time?


They don't call you Litigation Notes for nothing.

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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long time guy wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I thought seceding is traitorous—that anyone who tries to secede, successfully secedes, or joines up with another state to secede from the union is a traitor to our country. Isn't that what we're told every time the issue of confederate statues comes up, that they're all traitors?


It is traitorous and the Confederates were a bunch of traitors.
See? We can agree on stuff.


Sort of similar to how Marcus Garvey and the KKK agreed on "things"?
I don't get that reference.


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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I thought seceding is traitorous—that anyone who tries to secede, successfully secedes, or joines up with another state to secede from the union is a traitor to our country. Isn't that what we're told every time the issue of confederate statues comes up, that they're all traitors?


It is traitorous and the Confederates were a bunch of traitors.
See? We can agree on stuff.


Sort of similar to how Marcus Garvey and the KKK agreed on "things"?
I don't get that reference.


I know.

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I thought seceding is traitorous—that anyone who tries to secede, successfully secedes, or joines up with another state to secede from the union is a traitor to our country. Isn't that what we're told every time the issue of confederate statues comes up, that they're all traitors?


It is traitorous and the Confederates were a bunch of traitors.
See? We can agree on stuff.


Sort of similar to how Marcus Garvey and the KKK agreed on "things"?
I don't get that reference.


Go back to Africa!

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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You want equal justice? either pay Public Defenders more and hire more so they can defend poor people bettter orrrrrr abolish the office. Make all private lawyers have to take a certain amount of public cases per month as a price of doing business.


Paying public defenders won't change much. Due to over policing, our system would collapse if every defender demanded a trial. It continues to function at a snails pace because of plea deals.


Or the fact that they drag out the actual results for so long. I mean you got guys in County for years on robbery charges

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Did you all hear the leaked Lightfoot leak?

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I thought seceding is traitorous—that anyone who tries to secede, successfully secedes, or joines up with another state to secede from the union is a traitor to our country. Isn't that what we're told every time the issue of confederate statues comes up, that they're all traitors?


It is traitorous and the Confederates were a bunch of traitors.


Preach on brother

I got no problem with Southern pride, and I'm a bigfan of Robert E. Lee, but yeah, how this is controversial to some people is beyond me. (Actually, I think I understand it, but I just disagree with it.)


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2020 Homicides (and other fun data) https://heyjackass.com/ -- 264

And for 2019 ... https://heyjackass.com/category/chicago-crime-2019/ -- 519


One guy predictably doubts the accuracy of the information

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
long time guy wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
It's June and Chicago already has more homicides that in all of 2019.


This little bit of information is nowhere near close to being factual

Are you sure this time?

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Don Tiny wrote:
2020 Homicides (and other fun data) https://heyjackass.com/ -- 264

And for 2019 ... https://heyjackass.com/category/chicago-crime-2019/ -- 519


One guy predictably doubts the accuracy of the information

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
long time guy wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
It's June and Chicago already has more homicides that in all of 2019.


This little bit of information is nowhere near close to being factual

Are you sure this time?

I'm just passing along numbers and their source. Opinion is irrelevant with regard to that task.

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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Don Tiny wrote:
2020 Homicides (and other fun data) https://heyjackass.com/ -- 264

And for 2019 ... https://heyjackass.com/category/chicago-crime-2019/ -- 519


One guy predictably doubts the accuracy of the information

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
long time guy wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
It's June and Chicago already has more homicides that in all of 2019.


This little bit of information is nowhere near close to being factual

Are you sure this time?
I was making fun of you, not doubting anything.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
2020 Homicides (and other fun data) https://heyjackass.com/ -- 264

And for 2019 ... https://heyjackass.com/category/chicago-crime-2019/ -- 519


One guy predictably doubts the accuracy of the information

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
long time guy wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
It's June and Chicago already has more homicides that in all of 2019.


This little bit of information is nowhere near close to being factual

Are you sure this time?
I was making fun of you, not doubting anything.


Convenient cover story.

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I thought seceding is traitorous—that anyone who tries to secede, successfully secedes, or joines up with another state to secede from the union is a traitor to our country. Isn't that what we're told every time the issue of confederate statues comes up, that they're all traitors?


Only when your initials are LTG are you considered a traitor. His opinion is supposed to count because he teaches history you know. He's all for removing the statues of Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee but when they come for Barry's yet to be erected statue after they expose his traitorous activity while POTUS, LTG is going to bear arms and defend his idol, Barry O.

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The Hawk wrote:
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I thought seceding is traitorous—that anyone who tries to secede, successfully secedes, or joines up with another state to secede from the union is a traitor to our country. Isn't that what we're told every time the issue of confederate statues comes up, that they're all traitors?


Only when your initials are LTG are you considered a traitor. His opinion is supposed to count because he teaches history you know. He's all for removing the statues of Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee but when they come for Barry's yet to be erected statue after they expose his traitorous activity while POTUS, LTG is going to bear arms and defend his idol, Barry O.


LTG isn't anywhere near a fan of Obama's.

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Talked to a friend who's son is s police detective, and the the intelligence he's getting is that they'll be more rioting and looting throughout the year. Anything will set it off. They're using donations, and government handouts to rebuild and reopen ghetto businesses way too soon. Should wait until after the election into 2021.


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The Hawk wrote:
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I thought seceding is traitorous—that anyone who tries to secede, successfully secedes, or joines up with another state to secede from the union is a traitor to our country. Isn't that what we're told every time the issue of confederate statues comes up, that they're all traitors?


Only when your initials are LTG are you considered a traitor. His opinion is supposed to count because he teaches history you know.


Almost as much as you believe that your opinion on all things war is supposed to count just because you supposedly did a 1 year stretch in Vietnam.

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I thought seceding is traitorous—that anyone who tries to secede, successfully secedes, or joines up with another state to secede from the union is a traitor to our country. Isn't that what we're told every time the issue of confederate statues comes up, that they're all traitors?


Only when your initials are LTG are you considered a traitor. His opinion is supposed to count because he teaches history you know. He's all for removing the statues of Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee but when they come for Barry's yet to be erected statue after they expose his traitorous activity while POTUS, LTG is going to bear arms and defend his idol, Barry O.


LTG isn't anywhere near a fan of Obama's.


Might as well chalk it up to another of the things that this buffoon is ignorant of.

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I thought seceding is traitorous—that anyone who tries to secede, successfully secedes, or joines up with another state to secede from the union is a traitor to our country. Isn't that what we're told every time the issue of confederate statues comes up, that they're all traitors?


It is traitorous and the Confederates were a bunch of traitors.


Nah. And you saying it doesn't make it so. Even though you think that you actually understand history. You actually do not know shit about it and the fact that some stupid people allegedly pay your sorry ass to "teach" anyone just shows the awful state of education in this country.

The Americans who seceded from the Union were no more traitorous than the Americans who revolted from England.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I thought seceding is traitorous—that anyone who tries to secede, successfully secedes, or joines up with another state to secede from the union is a traitor to our country. Isn't that what we're told every time the issue of confederate statues comes up, that they're all traitors?


It is traitorous and the Confederates were a bunch of traitors.


Nah. And you saying it doesn't make it so. Even though you think that you actually understand history. You actually do not know shit about it and the fact that some stupid people allegedly pay your sorry ass to "teach" anyone just shows the awful state of education in this country.

The Americans who seceded from the Union were no more traitorous than the Americans who revolted from England.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I thought seceding is traitorous—that anyone who tries to secede, successfully secedes, or joines up with another state to secede from the union is a traitor to our country. Isn't that what we're told every time the issue of confederate statues comes up, that they're all traitors?


Good things that they fire openly bigoted pieces of ahit such as yourself on the spot once its discovered that they are bigots.
It is traitorous and the Confederates were a bunch of traitors.


Nah. And you saying it doesn't make it so. Even though you think that you actually understand history. You actually do not know shit about it and the fact that some stupid people allegedly pay your sorry ass to "teach" anyone just shows the awful state of education in this country.

The Americans who seceded from the Union were no more traitorous than the Americans who revolted from England.

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I thought seceding is traitorous—that anyone who tries to secede, successfully secedes, or joines up with another state to secede from the union is a traitor to our country. Isn't that what we're told every time the issue of confederate statues comes up, that they're all traitors?


It is traitorous and the Confederates were a bunch of traitors.


Nah. And you saying it doesn't make it so. Even though you think that you actually understand history. You actually do not know shit about it and the fact that some stupid people allegedly pay your sorry ass to "teach" anyone just shows the awful state of education in this country.

The Americans who seceded from the Union were no more traitorous than the Americans who revolted from England.



Good thing that CPS fires openly bigoted pieces of ahit such as yourself once its discovered that they are bigots.

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