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And take a look through the daily newspapers . . . almost all of the editorials are telling white people what to think, and oh yes, they are also deficient.

It's like we're living in Europe, 1900-1950. Weird, backwards, Bolshevik-style thinking, none of which is rational or promotes stability. Feels good in the moment, though.

It's like anti-immigrant hysteria.


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The mass hysteria over racism and the cops is even worse than the mass hysteria over Covid, which was, to the point, the stupidest thing I have ever seen.


What does this mean?

We have a "white = evil" narrative out there.

Cops are evil, too.


That's COMPLETE bullshit. We have a "corrupt cop/over policing = bad" narrative. Corrupt cops come in all colors. In some cities we have all white rallies and in Congress we have whites from all walks of life saying that police reform is necessary. Mitch McConnell isn't attacking white people.

Racism is January in our country's calendar of failures. To compare potential progress in that area to Covid-19 is one of the most ridiculous things that I've seen posted here.

What progress? BLM just re-elected Trump.

Not to mention the smart folks who think shutting down cities and rioting will help their causes.

Trump's approval rating has cratered since this BLM movement started. public opinion shifted towards the movement, even after the riots.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... d=tw-share

Trump is stuck in the 1960s and America has moved past him.

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Black people are more likely to steal

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And take a look through the daily newspapers . . . almost all of the editorials are telling white people what to think, and oh yes, they are also deficient.

It's like we're living in Europe, 1900-1950. Weird, backwards, Bolshevik-style thinking, none of which is rational or promotes stability. Feels good in the moment, though.

It's like anti-immigrant hysteria.


Regardless of how you feel about the George Floyd matter and the vast majority are sickened by it this is right. National tv news to papers to Bernsie type to personal conversation you are not allowed to add any opinion to the matter.

People are acting as if you add anything additional you are pissing on his dead body and a bad cop lover.

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And take a look through the daily newspapers . . . almost all of the editorials are telling white people what to think, and oh yes, they are also deficient.

It's like we're living in Europe, 1900-1950. Weird, backwards, Bolshevik-style thinking, none of which is rational or promotes stability. Feels good in the moment, though.

It's like anti-immigrant hysteria.


There is some or maybe a lot of that but this was predictable when this country decided to elect a blatantly racist person such as Donald Trump. I called it 4 years ago. We can't say that we live in a "post racist" society and then turn around and elect an openly racist person as President.

Does it mean that 60 million people are racist because they voted for him? No it doesn't. It does mean that his racism wasn't much of a problem for them however.
He repeatedly stoked the flames of racism and many in this country cheered him as a result of it.

Now there has been pushback. That's all.

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There is some or maybe a lot of that but this was predictable when this country decided to elect a blatantly racist person such as Donald Trump. I called it 4 years ago. We can't say that we live in a "post racial" society and then turn around and elect an openly racist person as President.

Neither side's goal is a postracial society, though. And BLM predates Trump, so your time here doesn't add up.


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Yeah BLM, Kap and cops killing Black kids and men was in Obama and even before. If anything by some weird logic Trump's era has caused more progress to awaken the masses to the problem. :wink:

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There is some or maybe a lot of that but this was predictable when this country decided to elect a blatantly racist person such as Donald Trump. I called it 4 years ago. We can't say that we live in a "post racial" society and then turn around and elect an openly racist person as President.

Neither side's goal is a postracial society, though. And BLM predates Trump, so your time here doesn't add up.

Focusing on BLM completely misses the point. Its bigger than BLM.

BLM also doesn't predate Trump either. Trump began campaigning for the Presidency as a result of his birtherism claims. BLM wasn't conceived prior to that.

And the equivalency "well both sides do it" won't much fly either. Republicans actively push racism. They willingly accept White Supremacists into their tent and have for the last 50 years.

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This isn't progress. Throwing away what public accountability police had to the public and then replacing it with private armies staffed by mercenaries is going to make life immeasurably worse for basically anyone who feels victimized by the current police apparatus. Now that the narrative has shifted suddenly to abolishment and not reform.


Cool your jets Atlas. Cops aren't going anywhere. For FWIW (nothing to you I'm sure) a number of low income people have essentially policed themselves for years.

It often went unnoticed because no one cares about the poor or how they're policed.

I would say its more likely than not that over the next five years you see broad abolition of local and state police. Fact is, you cant prevent incidents like George Floyd from occurring and being filmed. There's just too many police/criminal interactions, its a matter of time before it happens again and the riots start. One thing leads to another and you'll have more of what's about to happen in Minneapolis.

That combined with mass resignations and nobody, I mean nobody, applying for the job. What police departments aren't folded by order are just going to die a natural death.


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At the end of the day upper middle class and above people are not going to live without law enforcement. Overall, for the top thirty-ish percent of America law enforcement has been a very good deal. If keeping that around requires they pay they'll do it.

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Focusing on BLM completely misses the point. Its bigger than BLM.

BLM also doesn't predate Trump either. Trump began campaigning for the Presidency as a result of his birtherism claims. BLM wasn't conceived prior to that.

And the equivalency "well both sides do it" won't much fly either. Republicans actively push racism. They willingly accept White Supremacists into their tent and have for the last 50 years.

Of course they do. The Republicans care about one thing: Winning. Ideology is irrelevant to the republicans. Now, whether they actively push racism? Nah, not really. Maybe a long time ago but if you go that far back you'll see the Dems pulling the same stunts. They wont turn away the support, though. Especially since they seemingly have to do basically nothing to get it.


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You could swap the parties and youd still be correct.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
tommy wrote:
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The mass hysteria over racism and the cops is even worse than the mass hysteria over Covid, which was, to the point, the stupidest thing I have ever seen.


What does this mean?

We have a "white = evil" narrative out there.

Cops are evil, too.


That's COMPLETE bullshit. We have a "corrupt cop/over policing = bad" narrative. Corrupt cops come in all colors. In some cities we have all white rallies and in Congress we have whites from all walks of life saying that police reform is necessary. Mitch McConnell isn't attacking white people.

Racism is January in our country's calendar of failures. To compare potential progress in that area to Covid-19 is one of the most ridiculous things that I've seen posted here.

What progress? BLM just re-elected Trump.

Not to mention the smart folks who think shutting down cities and rioting will help their causes.

Trump's approval rating has cratered since this BLM movement started. public opinion shifted towards the movement, even after the riots.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... d=tw-share

Trump is stuck in the 1960s and America has moved past him.


2016 proved polls don't matter, or maybe not as much when you have outliers like Trump involved. Polls don't mean much to me in 2020 either. Voter turnout will decide this race just like it did last time. The margins in Michigan, Wisconsin, etc were unbelievably thin. If the Bernie bro and far left classes turn out for Biden then it's over for Trump. But they're not gonna do that.

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Trump's approval rating has cratered since this BLM movement started.


I highly doubt that is actually the case. There's been a false choice set up- either go along with all this nonsense or be branded a racist bigot. In that environment do you really think someone is going to admit to supporting Trump? At what cost? The loss of their job? Perhaps being beaten in the street? No. They'll just quietly go and vote in November.

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You could swap the parties and youd still be correct.

The democrats are broadly more ideological. The two are not identical at all in this way.


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Trump's approval rating has cratered since this BLM movement started.


I highly doubt that is actually the case. There's been a false choice set up- either go along with all this nonsense or be branded a racist bigot. In that environment do you really think someone is going to admit to supporting Trump? At what cost? The loss of their job? Perhaps being beaten in the street? No. They'll just quietly go and vote in November.

:lol: Yeah seems we’ve been down that road once before . “ But the polls !!! “

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Trump's approval rating has cratered since this BLM movement started.


I highly doubt that is actually the case. There's been a false choice set up- either go along with all this nonsense or be branded a racist bigot. In that environment do you really think someone is going to admit to supporting Trump? At what cost? The loss of their job? Perhaps being beaten in the street? No. They'll just quietly go and vote in November.

:lol: Yeah seems we’ve been down that road once before . “ But the polls !!! “


Trump scares me, but he actually scares me less than the agenda of CHAZ and its ilk.

The Libertarian lady is getting my votes.

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tommy wrote:
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The mass hysteria over racism and the cops is even worse than the mass hysteria over Covid, which was, to the point, the stupidest thing I have ever seen.


What does this mean?

We have a "white = evil" narrative out there.

Cops are evil, too.


That's COMPLETE bullshit. We have a "corrupt cop/over policing = bad" narrative. Corrupt cops come in all colors. In some cities we have all white rallies and in Congress we have whites from all walks of life saying that police reform is necessary. Mitch McConnell isn't attacking white people.

Racism is January in our country's calendar of failures. To compare potential progress in that area to Covid-19 is one of the most ridiculous things that I've seen posted here.

What progress? BLM just re-elected Trump.

Not to mention the smart folks who think shutting down cities and rioting will help their causes.


What progress? We have Mitch McConnell talking about police reform and our country's "first sin". When has that ever happened?

So you believed marginalized people should have remained silent? Anyone who has a problem with someone asking for our 14th amendment to be enforced or believe that doing so guarantees a Trump reelection is what's wrong with the country.

I have no idea what that means other than it appears that people outside of your bubble demanding that their country become "better" makes you uncomfortable. That's you problem, not theirs.

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The mass hysteria over racism and the cops is even worse than the mass hysteria over Covid, which was, to the point, the stupidest thing I have ever seen.


What does this mean?

We have a "white = evil" narrative out there.

Cops are evil, too.


That's COMPLETE bullshit. We have a "corrupt cop/over policing = bad" narrative. Corrupt cops come in all colors. In some cities we have all white rallies and in Congress we have whites from all walks of life saying that police reform is necessary. Mitch McConnell isn't attacking white people.

Racism is January in our country's calendar of failures. To compare potential progress in that area to Covid-19 is one of the most ridiculous things that I've seen posted here.

What progress? BLM just re-elected Trump.

Not to mention the smart folks who think shutting down cities and rioting will help their causes.

Trump's approval rating has cratered since this BLM movement started. public opinion shifted towards the movement, even after the riots.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... d=tw-share

Trump is stuck in the 1960s and America has moved past him.

Call me when the NY Times ever lets anything go to print that favors Trump (especially after they corrupted the Tom Cotton Op-Ed).

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Nas wrote:
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The mass hysteria over racism and the cops is even worse than the mass hysteria over Covid, which was, to the point, the stupidest thing I have ever seen.


What does this mean?

We have a "white = evil" narrative out there.

Cops are evil, too.


That's COMPLETE bullshit. We have a "corrupt cop/over policing = bad" narrative. Corrupt cops come in all colors. In some cities we have all white rallies and in Congress we have whites from all walks of life saying that police reform is necessary. Mitch McConnell isn't attacking white people.

Racism is January in our country's calendar of failures. To compare potential progress in that area to Covid-19 is one of the most ridiculous things that I've seen posted here.


It is.

These rallies are pretty much majority white.

Black cops have publicly apologized for their co workers.

It should be repeated every day that there are black cops and white protesters and white cops and black protesters...and that we all benefit by police reform, not in an abstract way.

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Black cops have publicly apologized for their co workers.

It should be repeated every day that there are black cops and white protesters and white cops and black protesters...and that we all benefit by police reform, not in an abstract way.


I have asked the question about how Black cops feel at least three times in the last couple weeks. This is the first I see discussion of it though I assumed it was true. I must be on the ignore or dislike list this days.

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What progress? We have Mitch McConnell talking about police reform and our country's "first sin". When has that ever happened?

So you believed marginalized people should have remained silent? Anyone who has a problem with someone asking for our 14th amendment to be enforced or believe that doing so guarantees a Trump reelection is what's wrong with the country.

I have no idea what that means other than it appears that people outside of your bubble demanding that their country become "better" makes you uncomfortable. That's you problem, not theirs.

Except this isn't going to improve the country at all. Think just a couple steps down the road, the people who get hurt most by the future that imminently awaits us are the same people who all this change is being perpetrated on behalf of.


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All you’re seeing is a bunch of city people riled up . The bumpkins who elected Trump last time whose lasting image of this is burned and looted buildings are going to turn out again and re-elect him .

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All you’re seeing is a bunch of city people riled up . The bumpkins who elected Trump last time whose lasting image of this is burned and looted buildings are going to turn out again and re-elect him .


I'd take it a step further and say there are city people that are going to vote for him that wouldn't have dreamt about doing so 3 months ago.


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Cities should 'defund' the police like Camden, NJ did. Dissolve them and their union. Bring 'em back at half the previous average of $185,000. Then you can add many officers and really tackle crime in the city.

Obviously the biggest scam is firefighters. You gotta do the same to them but don't have to hire back increased numbers thus saving gazillions.

Next 'defund' the teachers and dissolve their union. Saving more gazillions. Fire most of the BigEd bureaucrats and save more. No more pensions (see below).

Next pass the savings back to home owners and lower city taxes on beer and dope.

Of course, no more pensions. None. Fund yer own. It's FUNDamental and you can still retire as a millionaire. All you gotta do is save some fucking money every year. Cities may have to hire more math teachers to explain how this is done. May have to recruit in Taiwan or Iceland for this.

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That's great if enough people agree with them. We'll see if that's the case. I'm pretty sure you don't.

I don't want the government overthrown.



I know you don't.

I, on the other hand, take a more observational approach. We'll have whatever government we want.

Koresh and Weaver were minding their own business on their own property when they were beseiged by federal agents. This faux Robspierre has seized city streets and so far everyone is ignoring it and Trump is going to be the bad guy when he puts a stop to it.

I know a lot of people find Donald Trump distasteful, but they should be concerned about what's going to replace him. Because it ain't 'Ol Joe from Scranton.

Koresh was fucking 12 year olds, wasn't he?

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And take a look through the daily newspapers . . . almost all of the editorials are telling white people what to think, and oh yes, they are also deficient.

It's like we're living in Europe, 1900-1950. Weird, backwards, Bolshevik-style thinking, none of which is rational or promotes stability. Feels good in the moment, though.

It's like anti-immigrant hysteria.


As opposed to you dismissing poor people demands for equal protection under the law and police reform to Covid-19?

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And take a look through the daily newspapers . . . almost all of the editorials are telling white people what to think, and oh yes, they are also deficient.

It's like we're living in Europe, 1900-1950. Weird, backwards, Bolshevik-style thinking, none of which is rational or promotes stability. Feels good in the moment, though.

It's like anti-immigrant hysteria.

Exactly.

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Yeah BLM, Kap and cops killing Black kids and men was in Obama and even before. If anything by some weird logic Trump's era has caused more progress to awaken the masses to the problem. :wink:


Women demanding the right to vote predated Woodrow Wilson too. Change generally takes generations.

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