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I don't know how you can possibly fathom, much less argue with a straight face, that taking swings at officers while resisting, taking a weapon from the officers, then assaulting them with it, then firing that weapon at them, isn't reasonably considered a threat of great bodily harm.


Supposedly the distance and the fact that it had been discharged more than twice are reasons why the officer knew it wasn't a threat.

I think there is a near 0% chance a murder charge sticks. Kicking the body and standing on it and not providing aid could be different. Those are slaps on the wrist though.

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I don't know how you can possibly fathom, much less argue with a straight face, that taking swings at officers while resisting, taking a weapon from the officers, then assaulting them with it, then firing that weapon at them, isn't reasonably considered a threat of great bodily harm.



:lol: :lol: none of that was happening when the officer decided to fire his gun at the dead guy. If he shot him during the actual struggle while they were hand to hand that's a different story. But, none of those things matter one iota once the guy is running away, has his back to you and is 18 feet away from you when you pull the trigger.


When he fired that gun did he have a reasonable fear of imminent death? Of course not.

When he fired the gun did he have a reasonable fear of great bodily harm? Of course not.


Only a complete and absolute racist could argue otherwise with a straight face.

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I don't know how you can possibly fathom, much less argue with a straight face, that taking swings at officers while resisting, taking a weapon from the officers, then assaulting them with it, then firing that weapon at them, isn't reasonably considered a threat of great bodily harm.
5 Atlanta Police Officers fired last week for using a taser to remove two college students from a car. Officers were fired because the Atlanta District Attorney's Office deemed the Officer's use of the taser was DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE.

So either all the cops in this case or the 2 in the Brooks case will get off, sue the city and hit their own ghetto lottery . The Atlanta DA’s office literally DiCaro’d themselves a week apart.

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I don't know how you can possibly fathom, much less argue with a straight face, that taking swings at officers while resisting, taking a weapon from the officers, then assaulting them with it, then firing that weapon at them, isn't reasonably considered a threat of great bodily harm.
5 Atlanta Police Officers fired last week for using a taser to remove two college students from a car. Officers were fired because the Atlanta District Attorney's Office deemed the Officer's use of the taser was DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE.

So either all the cops in this case or the 2 in the Brooks case will get off, sue the city and hit their own ghetto lottery . The Atlanta DA’s office literally DiCaro’d themselves a week apart.


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[none of those things matter one iota once the guy is running away


He was running away after brawling with them and taking their weapon. They had a right to chase him, and if he fires the weapon to slow/stop their chase, sorry.

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shakes wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I don't know how you can possibly fathom, much less argue with a straight face, that taking swings at officers while resisting, taking a weapon from the officers, then assaulting them with it, then firing that weapon at them, isn't reasonably considered a threat of great bodily harm.



:lol: :lol: none of that was happening when the officer decided to fire his gun at the dead guy. If he shot him during the actual struggle while they were hand to hand that's a different story. But, none of those things matter one iota once the guy is running away, has his back to you and is 18 feet away from you when you pull the trigger.


When he fired that gun did he have a reasonable fear of imminent death? Of course not.

When he fired the gun did he have a reasonable fear of great bodily harm? Of course not.


Only a complete and absolute racist could argue otherwise with a straight face.
So the cop had to fire immediately as he was being fired upon in order to have a reasonable fear of either death or bodily harm? I don't think that's how that works.

And only a super racist, and a bad tipper, would disagree with me. See? I can do that too.


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shakes wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I don't know how you can possibly fathom, much less argue with a straight face, that taking swings at officers while resisting, taking a weapon from the officers, then assaulting them with it, then firing that weapon at them, isn't reasonably considered a threat of great bodily harm.



:lol: :lol: none of that was happening when the officer decided to fire his gun at the dead guy. If he shot him during the actual struggle while they were hand to hand that's a different story. But, none of those things matter one iota once the guy is running away, has his back to you and is 18 feet away from you when you pull the trigger.


When he fired that gun did he have a reasonable fear of imminent death? Of course not.

When he fired the gun did he have a reasonable fear of great bodily harm? Of course not.


Only a complete and absolute racist could argue otherwise with a straight face.

Awful argument. It's offensively bad.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I don't know how you can possibly fathom, much less argue with a straight face, that taking swings at officers while resisting, taking a weapon from the officers, then assaulting them with it, then firing that weapon at them, isn't reasonably considered a threat of great bodily harm.


I faintly remember the word "disengaged" from law school

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[none of those things matter one iota once the guy is running away


He was running away after brawling with them and taking their weapon. They had a right to chase him, and if he fires the weapon to slow/stop their chase, sorry.

So much PRIDE at Jawbreaker's use of pronouns here....

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shakes wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I don't know how you can possibly fathom, much less argue with a straight face, that taking swings at officers while resisting, taking a weapon from the officers, then assaulting them with it, then firing that weapon at them, isn't reasonably considered a threat of great bodily harm.



:lol: :lol: none of that was happening when the officer decided to fire his gun at the dead guy. If he shot him during the actual struggle while they were hand to hand that's a different story. But, none of those things matter one iota once the guy is running away, has his back to you and is 18 feet away from you when you pull the trigger.


When he fired that gun did he have a reasonable fear of imminent death? Of course not.

When he fired the gun did he have a reasonable fear of great bodily harm? Of course not.


Only a complete and absolute racist could argue otherwise with a straight face.
Summary judgement in favor of the officers . We will now hear arguments from them in regards to them getting their jobs back with punitive damages .

(Reuters) - Warren Ragudo died after two Taser shocks by police intervening in a family altercation. Ramzi Saad died after a Taser shock by police during a dispute between Saad and his mother. Chinedu Okobi died after police used a Taser to subdue him in a confrontation they blamed on his refusal to stop walking in traffic.


All three were unarmed. All three had histories of mental illness. And all three died last year in a single northern California county, San Mateo.

They were among at least 49 people who died in 2018 after being shocked by police with a Taser, a similar number as in the previous two years, according to a Reuters review of police records, news reports and court documents.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I don't know how you can possibly fathom, much less argue with a straight face, that taking swings at officers while resisting, taking a weapon from the officers, then assaulting them with it, then firing that weapon at them, isn't reasonably considered a threat of great bodily harm.
5 Atlanta Police Officers fired last week for using a taser to remove two college students from a car. Officers were fired because the Atlanta District Attorney's Office deemed the Officer's use of the taser was DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE.

So either all the cops in this case or the 2 in the Brooks case will get off, sue the city and hit their own ghetto lottery . The Atlanta DA’s office literally DiCaro’d themselves a week apart.


Yeah will be hard to fire all 7 using taser logic in first case.

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shakes wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I don't know how you can possibly fathom, much less argue with a straight face, that taking swings at officers while resisting, taking a weapon from the officers, then assaulting them with it, then firing that weapon at them, isn't reasonably considered a threat of great bodily harm.



:lol: :lol: none of that was happening when the officer decided to fire his gun at the dead guy. If he shot him during the actual struggle while they were hand to hand that's a different story. But, none of those things matter one iota once the guy is running away, has his back to you and is 18 feet away from you when you pull the trigger.


When he fired that gun did he have a reasonable fear of imminent death? Of course not.

When he fired the gun did he have a reasonable fear of great bodily harm? Of course not.


Only a complete and absolute racist could argue otherwise with a straight face.


You can't steal an officers taser and point it at him you dumbfuck. Stop making it about race.


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[none of those things matter one iota once the guy is running away


He was running away after brawling with them and taking their weapon. They had a right to chase him, and if he fires the weapon to slow/stop their chase, sorry.


nope, clearly you didn't brush up on the case law. DA laid it out clearly.


once the guy is running away the standard is very simple:

Officer can only use deadly force if he is fearful of his own imminent death or great bodily injury. Neither of those can be answered yes in this scenario.



The fact that they were fighting and the guy took a taser and fired it at the cops has no bearing on the standard of law that applies once the guy starts running away. If the cops were better cops they would've shot the guy while they were struggling in hand tgo hand combat. Would've been a lot easier to meet the required standard stated above.

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shakes wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I don't know how you can possibly fathom, much less argue with a straight face, that taking swings at officers while resisting, taking a weapon from the officers, then assaulting them with it, then firing that weapon at them, isn't reasonably considered a threat of great bodily harm.



:lol: :lol: none of that was happening when the officer decided to fire his gun at the dead guy. If he shot him during the actual struggle while they were hand to hand that's a different story. But, none of those things matter one iota once the guy is running away, has his back to you and is 18 feet away from you when you pull the trigger.


When he fired that gun did he have a reasonable fear of imminent death? Of course not.

When he fired the gun did he have a reasonable fear of great bodily harm? Of course not.


Only a complete and absolute racist could argue otherwise with a straight face.
Summary judgement in favor of the officers . We will now hear arguments from them in regards to them getting their jobs back with punitive damages .

(Reuters) - Warren Ragudo died after two Taser shocks by police intervening in a family altercation. Ramzi Saad died after a Taser shock by police during a dispute between Saad and his mother. Chinedu Okobi died after police used a Taser to subdue him in a confrontation they blamed on his refusal to stop walking in traffic.


All three were unarmed. All three had histories of mental illness. And all three died last year in a single northern California county, San Mateo.

They were among at least 49 people who died in 2018 after being shocked by police with a Taser, a similar number as in the previous two years, according to a Reuters review of police records, news reports and court documents.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
shakes wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I don't know how you can possibly fathom, much less argue with a straight face, that taking swings at officers while resisting, taking a weapon from the officers, then assaulting them with it, then firing that weapon at them, isn't reasonably considered a threat of great bodily harm.



:lol: :lol: none of that was happening when the officer decided to fire his gun at the dead guy. If he shot him during the actual struggle while they were hand to hand that's a different story. But, none of those things matter one iota once the guy is running away, has his back to you and is 18 feet away from you when you pull the trigger.


When he fired that gun did he have a reasonable fear of imminent death? Of course not.

When he fired the gun did he have a reasonable fear of great bodily harm? Of course not.


Only a complete and absolute racist could argue otherwise with a straight face.
So the cop had to fire immediately as he was being fired upon in order to have a reasonable fear of either death or bodily harm? I don't think that's how that works.

And only a super racist, and a bad tipper, would disagree with me. See? I can do that too.



yes, that's how the law works. You are only allowed to use deadly force when you have a fear of dying or serious bodily injury. That doesn't exist when someone is running in the opposite direction and is 18 feet away.


Interesting taht you put bad tipper in there.

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Guys, once Brooks fired at the officer pursuing him, the taser prongs became ballistic objects outside of Brooks' control. Because he couldn't alter their flight, he was obviously no longer posing a threat!


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either the cops did a bad job reading the situation or Brooks did a good job possumming them into thinking it was gonna be an easy arrest:

https://youtu.be/DAAr1kVRlCo?t=56

cops have techniques they deploy when they think you're going to be a tough cuff. usually get you off your feet before they move in to apply the cuffs. Either sitting on a curb or chair or kneeling with hands on head. the moment you realize you're not talking your way out of this and getting detained sucks.


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In Chicago, the cops would have taken him up on the offer to walk home. Wrong city for him, sadly.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
shakes wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I don't know how you can possibly fathom, much less argue with a straight face, that taking swings at officers while resisting, taking a weapon from the officers, then assaulting them with it, then firing that weapon at them, isn't reasonably considered a threat of great bodily harm.



:lol: :lol: none of that was happening when the officer decided to fire his gun at the dead guy. If he shot him during the actual struggle while they were hand to hand that's a different story. But, none of those things matter one iota once the guy is running away, has his back to you and is 18 feet away from you when you pull the trigger.


When he fired that gun did he have a reasonable fear of imminent death? Of course not.

When he fired the gun did he have a reasonable fear of great bodily harm? Of course not.


Only a complete and absolute racist could argue otherwise with a straight face.
So the cop had to fire immediately as he was being fired upon in order to have a reasonable fear of either death or bodily harm? I don't think that's how that works.

And only a super racist, and a bad tipper, would disagree with me. See? I can do that too.



yes, that's how the law works. You are only allowed to use deadly force when you have a fear of dying or serious bodily injury. That doesn't exist when someone is running in the opposite direction and is 18 feet away.


Interesting taht you put bad tipper in there.
The fear was created when Brooks turned while fleeing and fired on the officer.

Or do you really mean to argue that as long as someone is running away from police, they can blast away with impunity?


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
shakes wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
shakes wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I don't know how you can possibly fathom, much less argue with a straight face, that taking swings at officers while resisting, taking a weapon from the officers, then assaulting them with it, then firing that weapon at them, isn't reasonably considered a threat of great bodily harm.



:lol: :lol: none of that was happening when the officer decided to fire his gun at the dead guy. If he shot him during the actual struggle while they were hand to hand that's a different story. But, none of those things matter one iota once the guy is running away, has his back to you and is 18 feet away from you when you pull the trigger.


When he fired that gun did he have a reasonable fear of imminent death? Of course not.

When he fired the gun did he have a reasonable fear of great bodily harm? Of course not.


Only a complete and absolute racist could argue otherwise with a straight face.
So the cop had to fire immediately as he was being fired upon in order to have a reasonable fear of either death or bodily harm? I don't think that's how that works.

And only a super racist, and a bad tipper, would disagree with me. See? I can do that too.



yes, that's how the law works. You are only allowed to use deadly force when you have a fear of dying or serious bodily injury. That doesn't exist when someone is running in the opposite direction and is 18 feet away.


Interesting taht you put bad tipper in there.
The fear was created when Brooks turned while fleeing and fired on the officer.

Or do you really mean to argue that as long as someone is running away from police, they can blast away with impunity?


How many feet away does someone have to get to no longer be a threat? 50 feet? 500 feet? 5 miles?

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
shakes wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
shakes wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I don't know how you can possibly fathom, much less argue with a straight face, that taking swings at officers while resisting, taking a weapon from the officers, then assaulting them with it, then firing that weapon at them, isn't reasonably considered a threat of great bodily harm.



:lol: :lol: none of that was happening when the officer decided to fire his gun at the dead guy. If he shot him during the actual struggle while they were hand to hand that's a different story. But, none of those things matter one iota once the guy is running away, has his back to you and is 18 feet away from you when you pull the trigger.


When he fired that gun did he have a reasonable fear of imminent death? Of course not.

When he fired the gun did he have a reasonable fear of great bodily harm? Of course not.


Only a complete and absolute racist could argue otherwise with a straight face.
So the cop had to fire immediately as he was being fired upon in order to have a reasonable fear of either death or bodily harm? I don't think that's how that works.

And only a super racist, and a bad tipper, would disagree with me. See? I can do that too.



yes, that's how the law works. You are only allowed to use deadly force when you have a fear of dying or serious bodily injury. That doesn't exist when someone is running in the opposite direction and is 18 feet away.


Interesting taht you put bad tipper in there.
The fear was created when Brooks turned while fleeing and fired on the officer.

Or do you really mean to argue that as long as someone is running away from police, they can blast away with impunity?


How many feet away does someone have to get to no longer be a threat? 50 feet? 500 feet? 5 miles?
Brooks was within an eyeball approximation of the X2 taser's effective range. The website says almost 5 meters, shakes says he was 18 feet away.

Now let's set the stage for you arguing that the officer knew or should have known that his partner's taser was fired twice during the adrenaline-fueled struggle.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
shakes wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
shakes wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I don't know how you can possibly fathom, much less argue with a straight face, that taking swings at officers while resisting, taking a weapon from the officers, then assaulting them with it, then firing that weapon at them, isn't reasonably considered a threat of great bodily harm.



:lol: :lol: none of that was happening when the officer decided to fire his gun at the dead guy. If he shot him during the actual struggle while they were hand to hand that's a different story. But, none of those things matter one iota once the guy is running away, has his back to you and is 18 feet away from you when you pull the trigger.


When he fired that gun did he have a reasonable fear of imminent death? Of course not.

When he fired the gun did he have a reasonable fear of great bodily harm? Of course not.


Only a complete and absolute racist could argue otherwise with a straight face.
So the cop had to fire immediately as he was being fired upon in order to have a reasonable fear of either death or bodily harm? I don't think that's how that works.

And only a super racist, and a bad tipper, would disagree with me. See? I can do that too.



yes, that's how the law works. You are only allowed to use deadly force when you have a fear of dying or serious bodily injury. That doesn't exist when someone is running in the opposite direction and is 18 feet away.


Interesting taht you put bad tipper in there.
The fear was created when Brooks turned while fleeing and fired on the officer.

Or do you really mean to argue that as long as someone is running away from police, they can blast away with impunity?


How many feet away does someone have to get to no longer be a threat? 50 feet? 500 feet? 5 miles?

I dunno. Let me fire a taser at you from varying distances until you feel safe. Then you can come here and write a weepy post about it. Fucking simp.

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This case isn't even in the same universe as George Floyd. Not even. I was enraged about what they did to Floyd. The Brooks case is unfortunate, but you cannot steal an officers weapon. Can't do it.

Of course the outcome sucked, really just let the dude walk home. Maybe take his car keys and he picks them up at the station the next day.


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So the felony to make it felony murder must be the aggravated assault on the bystanders? Apparently John Wick junior fired a round into a nearby car full of people. Maybe felonious criminal damage to the bystander's automobile.



Cops don't engage in high speed car chases in populated area b/c of the risk to bystanders. Seems like the same principle should apply to discharging a weapon at a suspect fleeing on foot in a crowded parking lot.


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So the felony to make it felony murder must be the aggravated assault on the bystanders? Apparently John Wick junior fired a round into a nearby car full of people. Maybe felonious criminal damage to the bystander's automobile.



Cops don't engage in high speed car chases in populated area b/c of the risk to bystanders. Seems like the same principle should apply to discharging a weapon at a suspect fleeing on foot in a crowded parking lot.


Even a lawyer as shitty as shakes could get them out of those charges. What if Brooks, now intoxicated with a taser, hurts a bystander with said weapon?


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I dunno. Let me fire a taser at you from varying distances until you feel safe. Then you can come here and write a weepy post about it. Fucking simp.


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Brooks was within an eyeball approximation of the X2 taser's effective range. The website says almost 5 meters, shakes says he was 18 feet away.

Now let's set the stage for you arguing that the officer knew or should have known that his partner's taser was fired twice during the adrenaline-fueled struggle.


Oh. That's an interesting answer to the question I posed.

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Hussra wrote:
So the felony to make it felony murder must be the aggravated assault on the bystanders? Apparently John Wick junior fired a round into a nearby car full of people. Maybe felonious criminal damage to the bystander's automobile.



Cops don't engage in high speed car chases in populated area b/c of the risk to bystanders. Seems like the same principle should apply to discharging a weapon at a suspect fleeing on foot in a crowded parking lot.


Even a lawyer as shitty as shakes could get them out of those charges. What if Brooks, now intoxicated with a taser, hurts a bystander with said weapon?

Well then it’s WHY DIDNT THE COPS STOP HIM ?????

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