don't jews have some common genes that cause rare diseases and stuff?

don't jews have some common genes that cause rare diseases and stuff?

ACL. ICE. HOSPITAL.

Yes it does if you are questioning someone's "legitimacy" Jorr Brick and Ogie have all questioned the use of the term Palestinian. To me that makes no sense because they are still Arabs. Native born Arabs have no right to the land but Jewish people of Eastern European descent do?

Israel isn't trying to "kick out" Arabs. And all but the most religious wackos understand that it will become untenable to maintain a Jewish state while also maintaining democratic values. Israel wants a two state solution. Sadly, there is none to be had. "From the river to the sea..."

The maintenance of a permanent refugee class by the U.N. and Arab states is not the fault of Israel.

I question if they are a different ethnicity than the other Arabs of the levant. It's a fair question as their argument for independent statehood rests upon the acceptance that they are an independent ethnic group from the bordering Arab states. Otherwise, why not have them make their state in Jordan? Those who call themselves Palestinians make up the majority of the population in Jordan, so should Jordan not be the Palestinian State? After all, it was part of the original Palestinian Mandate until Britain turned it over to create Jordan.

I have already pointed out what the criteria is for determining if a group of people are an independent ethnicity. The Jewish people most certainly fall within that category. While one can convert to Judaism the religion, one still does not become a Jew by ethnicity. Just as one cannot convert to become Polish or French, but one can convert to become a Catholic.

Judaism can both be a religion and the Jewish people can also be an ethnic group. If you argue contrary, you are arguing against the facts of the matter.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

It was a while back that I had asked similar questions albeit just to satisfy my curiosity. I did not really understand why people always say they are Jewish rather than German, Polish, Russian, Israeli etc. CH replied to me that it was largely due to there only being a couple strains of Jewish types in total and mainly the ones in American actually are almost all of a certain type from Europe.

I am sure I butchered that but maybe Ch can again lay that out and it may help JLN here? The only other thing I thing he is trying to get at is converts and that makes no sense to me in this discussion.

Am I all up in your phone's auto-correct? But actually you were right, the thing CH responded with was enlightening.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

Netanyahu doesn't want one.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

Of course one does not become a Jew by ethnicity. The only way one can become a Jew is by converting to Judaism. A person can be East Asian convert to Judaism and be have more of an entitlement to the land than a Native born Arab. Jorr is being hypocritical on this issue also. He is one of the proponents of outlawing Muslim refugees yet he is perfectly comfortable with refugees from other nations and continents descending upon Israel and possessing rights forbidden to Palestinians.


While we are at it Zionism is merely a contrived term that was created by a non Middle Easterner.

Am I all up in your phone's auto-correct? But actually you were right, the thing CH responded with was enlightening.

Netanyahu doesn't want one.

The Jewish people as as an ethnicity are separate from Judaism as a religion.

A religion is a set of beliefs and one must follow them in order to be part of a religion.

However, an ethnicity is a group with a common and distinctive origin, language, culture, genetics, and customs. If you are born Jewish and become an atheist, you are still Jewish by ethnicity. If you are born Baptist and become an atheist, then you are no longer a Baptist as Catholicism is a set of beliefs and not an dependent ethnicity.

Look no further than the Jews who founded and took up leadership in early Israel. Most of them were atheists or agnostics. Even David Ben Gurion was an avowed atheist. He was still Jewish though because he belonged to the Jewish ethnic group and shared the common ethnicity with a Chabad Rabbi.

This is a basic academic concept and the fact that you cannot grasp it makes me question if your claimed credentials are even real.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

He called you me in one of his posts from a few days ago. The initial game is not his friend apparently. Maybe we can discuss Lincoln and his ambivalence to slavery again. If I provide one of my many sources maybe that will provide clarity for a Pittmike on exactly Who's who.

Ok so why are Jewish people with no ties to the "ancestral homeland" entitled to rights that Native born Palestinians aren't?

False, he called for one in the Bar Ilan speech and made a serious offer for one during the last direct negotiations. The Palestinians walked away without so much as a counter offer. This is what they typically do as they cannot and will not agree to peace with Israel as their long term goal is always "from the river to the sea." Anyone who followed the 2000's negotiations would recognize this fact.

Israel has time and time again put forth fair and just offers for a Palestinian state. Each time, the Arabs walked away from the table.

As the great statesman Abba Eban once said:

"The Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity."

The Palestinians were offered their chance to establish a state at several junctures either via partition or peace deal. By walking away, starting (and losing) several wars, they have routinely forfeited their rights.

They can choose to live at peace side-by-side with the Jewish state or they can continue to wallow in the misery of their own making.

Once again, you are ignoring the fact that Jews have maintained a tie to their ancestral homeland for 3200 years. You love to ignore that point because it is a fact which you cannot refute.

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I have to get some work done so I'll reply to other stuff later

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

Jews were the majority in Jerusalem in the last two thousand years and well before Israel existed.

You also want to avoid the "lost wars" part of it as Israel can point to the scoreboard of the past 150 years or so to lay claim to the area.

If you truly think a two state solution is fair why are you and others fighting so hard against the very concept of Israel? The biggest impediment to the two state solution is the fight against Israel's right to exist.

Of course one does not become a Jew by ethnicity. The only way one can become a Jew is by converting to Judaism. A person can be East Asian convert to Judaism and have more of an entitlement to the land than a Native born Arab. Jorr is being hypocritical on this issue also. He is one of the proponents of outlawing Muslim refugees yet he is perfectly comfortable with refugees from other nations and continents descending upon Israel and possessing rights forbidden to Palestinians.


While we are at it Zionism is merely a contrived term that was created by a non Middle Easterner.

I'm still trying to figure out if Hillary is Jewish?

Why was it called the Palestine Post? Because before 1948 there was no such thing as a Palestinian person. Someone who called himself a Palestinian would've been a Jew living in Israel. The Arabs were simply called the Arabs as they were not a distinct and separate people from the other Arabs in the region.

False. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demograph ... _Jerusalem



Would you be okay with taking Western aid to Israel out of it and seeing what gets sorted?

This is false. There were Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Arabs, until the Jews decided to be called Israelis, and Palestinian Arabs could be shortened to Palestinians. The term Palestinian has been used for thousands of years and the only thing that separates the people is religion and culture. And that is enough to necessitate two sovereign states.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

You got mad when people said you had anti-Semitic views but you are also using a lot of anti-Semitic talking points designed to delegitimize the Jewish people.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

I don't want to offend you but I stand by my comment about Netanyahu.

Of the people in this discussion you provide the least amount of insight. I'm sayint this with all due respect.

YOu cling to the Anti Semitism charge because you have nothing to add.

My point is clear and also relevant. you have consistently along with others attempted to delegitimze the Palestinians first by claiming that it is a made up term and continuously stating that they were never a country. You then made the charge that being indigenous matters not because when someone else wanted to claim the land then the land they shall claim.

does anyone think there's a large population that are converting to being a Jew so they can live somewhere in this area?

I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?