I agree the cop shouldn't let anyone beat that chick's ass and she has the right to say what she said.

But... calling "I will teach my grandchildren to hate you all!" a political view is quite the stretch.

I agree the cop shouldn't let anyone beat that chick's ass and she has the right to say what she said.

But... calling "I will teach my grandchildren to hate you all!" a political view is quite the stretch.

Why is it a stretch? Have the last 3 years not taught us that hate certainly is a political view?

I think that's painting with a broad brush. I was a public high school teacher for my and first 3 years out of college. It was a great experience. I learned a lot. I was good at it, but I saw fairly early that an entire career of teaching was going to make me a miserable human being so I went to grad school at night and started a new career.

I think the irrational hate or if you want to use a more accurate term like "contempt" or "indifference" or "disregard" stems from the fact that as a group, teachers have loudly complained over the years about being underpaid. You show me a room of 20 teachers and I'll point out at least 10 miserable adults. That's fine, except their profession is chosen. No one forces anyone to become a teacher. It's an honest, respectable profession, but I also don't find teachers to be the saviors many think they are. For many it becomes a coast job with a lot of time off and stable money. I've known many that are wonderful, committed people that do love children and take that role very seriously. Unfortunately, I've seen and experienced just as many that are just along for the ride.

If your experience is different than mine, I'm happy for you. Like anything, it's a career. If that's your calling....great. If it's not....do something else. The pay and benefits associated with being a teacher or pretty clearly stated up front and I don't see very few teachers struggling to make a living.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

I rarely find that teachers complain about their job. If you take a poll you'd discover that there are far more people that complain about teachers. From parents who blame them because their child isn't the next Einstein to Administrators who ran from educating kids, to politicians that are only concerned with lip servicing, the people that complain more than anyone are the people that aren't in the classroom.

There are teachers that hate their job. More than likely they happen to hate themselves. They have a bad disposition and sometimes that disposition transfers into the classroom.

Most the teachers that I have encountered rarely complain about their salary. Do they try and increase their pay? Yes they do. That makes them no different than anyone in any other profession.

BUT they only work 9 months out of a year...

BUT they only work 9 months out of a year...

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

I rarely find that teachers complain about their job. If you take a poll you'd discover that there are far more people that complain about teachers. From parents who blame them because their child isn't the next Einstein to Administrators who ran from educating kids, to politicians that are only concerned with lip servicing, the people that complain more than anyone are the people that aren't in the classroom.

There are teachers that hate their job. More than likely they happen to hate themselves. They have a bad disposition and sometimes that disposition transfers into the classroom.

Most the teachers that I have encountered rarely complain about their salary. Do they try and increase their pay? Yes they do. That makes them no different than anyone in any other profession.

wtf? every year of school i had about half the teachers made complaints of pay. the reason they do it is because its easy work. some actually like it, but most of them are uptight assholes because they think they should be paid a lot more for dealing with shitheads all day.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

I think more drug legalization or decriminlaization would be a great start. It would be awesome to rid this country of drug violence by legalizing stuff. A tough task for sure.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

Life expectancy in the so-called Greatest Country In History is plummeting right now because of drug overdoses, let's be a little more cautious about throwing the barn doors open to drugs. I mean, sure, legalize weed everywhere, but we should be dropping the hammer on people who sell the hard stuff.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.

Big Pharma is culpable, Doctors and pill mills handing scripts out like Halloween candy are just as culpable.

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

If teachers worked 12 months a year then there salary would increase and people would complain even more than they are complaining now.

I'd gladly work 8 hrs per day at my hourly rate 12 months a year if possible.

And people are responsible for their own actions.

Should we discontinue development of medications that help millions of people because it may be abused by criminals?

And people are responsible for their own actions.

Should we discontinue development of medications that help millions of people because it may be abused by criminals?

Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.

And people are responsible for their own actions.

Should we discontinue development of medications that help millions of people because it may be abused by criminals?

You pretty much can if you choose

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

You and Nas have absolutely gone off the rails in this sub discussion in this thread.

Teachers get praised sufficiently. I even gave an example of extraordinary praise few others get. Nas dismissed it out of hand. I'll give another example: in my neighborhood, every other block has a sign on it saying "a hero lives here" and the school at which the person teaches. They also have a pretty decent pay schedule. 79K median pay in CPS with other school districts much higher. Still, median CPS as an example: it would not be difficult to make enough to bring that into the 90s by working during the summer, and there is ample summer work for teachers including tutoring, working camps, different summer schooling like driver's ed. I don't expect a teacher to be poor and the truth is that they are not.

It seems like you two believe that teachers should be untouched by criticism.

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

You and Nas have absolutely gone off the rails in this sub discussion in this thread.

Teachers get praised sufficiently. I even gave an example of extraordinary praise few others get. Nas dismissed it out of hand. I'll give another example: in my neighborhood, every other block has a sign on it saying "a hero lives here" and the school at which the person teaches. They also have a pretty decent pay schedule. 79K median pay in CPS with other school districts much higher. Still, median CPS as an example: it would not be difficult to make enough to bring that into the 90s by working during the summer, and there is ample summer work for teachers including tutoring, working camps, different summer schooling like driver's ed. I don't expect a teacher to be poor and the truth is that they are not.

It seems like you two believe that teachers should be untouched by criticism.

Median income for the average Chicago resident was 57K or so in 2017.

The hyperbole about 79K for nine months of work is just that. Hyperbole.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

You are intentionally misrepresenting everything that I posted. I've NEVER said teachers shouldn't be criticized. In fact, I've said the opposite. I simply compared the view of teachers on this board and with the public with the view of cops and even firemen. I noted that there was a stark difference. I don't think that can be disputed.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

You and Nas have absolutely gone off the rails in this sub discussion in this thread.

Teachers get praised sufficiently. I even gave an example of extraordinary praise few others get. Nas dismissed it out of hand. I'll give another example: in my neighborhood, every other block has a sign on it saying "a hero lives here" and the school at which the person teaches. They also have a pretty decent pay schedule. 79K median pay in CPS with other school districts much higher. Still, median CPS as an example: it would not be difficult to make enough to bring that into the 90s by working during the summer, and there is ample summer work for teachers including tutoring, working camps, different summer schooling like driver's ed. I don't expect a teacher to be poor and the truth is that they are not.

It seems like you two believe that teachers should be untouched by criticism.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

You are intentionally misrepresenting everything that I posted. I've NEVER said teachers shouldn't be criticized. In fact, I've said the opposite. I simply compared the view of teachers on this board and with the public with the view of cops and even firemen. I noted that there was a stark difference. I don't think that can be disputed.

Rather silly to compare the average or median income salary of a teacher to that of the median income of a Chicago Resident.

In most cases your avg teacher will have a minimum of 2 degrees. Very few certified teachers are teaching with 1 degree these days. As such they deserve to be compensated for it.

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

None of which has anything to do with median income I mentioned.

And I intentionally omitted that the median income for the average Chicagoan is based upon a full time, 12 month a year job.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.