Well, it's certainly a valid point that it can be a fine line between not wanting to work with someone for legitimate reasons vs. actual discrimination. Without solid evidence I'm sure it's hard to prove discrimination in most cases. But just because discrimination does occur, shouldn't mean that people should have no say at all in who they work with.

Yes, except this guy was discriminating against someone. You obviously shouldn't be forced to work with someone you can't work with, Just don't be such a colossal moron to admit you fired someone because they were too attractive.

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She worked for him for ten years. Suddenly he's "uncomfortable"? There has to be protection for workers. Do you really believe everything should be at the whim of the employer? If so, I don't think you have much to worry about. Because in spite of the constant howling about Obama's "socialist agenda", American wealth continues to be concentrated in fewer and fewer bank accounts.

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the correct Seinfeld reference :

Sweet Dee is not irresistible.

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I'm suprised to find Iowa has a legal system let alone a Supreme Court. I just figured they settled disputes by playing chicken with combines.

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Season 1 Sweet Dee was.

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I don't see the problem here. If this person had terrible body odor, or became a nazi, or called his wife a bitch every day, and it made him uncomfortable, I'd see no problem with him firing her. It sucks that this person was a casualty of it, and the guy is a jerk for doing it, but I don't think it's fair to expect a business owner to give a lifetime contract to an employee regardless of how he likes the business relationship. It's not like he could just quit and go work somewhere else. It's his business.

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I can understand that, but this idiot couldn't even be bothered to contrive a story about a "deteriorating business relationship" or some other type of mealy-mouthed bullshit excuse. I mean come on man! For the sake of your legal fees just make a plausible excuse up!

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True.

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Leave Steve from Elmhurst out of this.

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Hopefully he got a lot of credit from his wife for firing someone because he was afraid he'd eventually sleep with her.

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Fuck it. Fire everybody.

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If I was your employee at a company you owned and couldn't just walk away from, and I made every day you went into work uncomfortable wouldn't you fire me?

This is a little different than a middle manager here. He was the owner.

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I think the test of beauty with blondes has to be that, if she had another color of hair, would you still find het hot. I don't think Dee passes that test.

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I wouldn't have waited ten years. I don't believe the employee's behavior has changed. At least no one has suggested that. This is simply a matter of a jealous wife and a husband with no balls.

And I'm not saying that this legal decision is wrong. I assume Iowa must be like Illinois where cause is unnecessary to terminate employment. Morally and ethically it's another matter. And it's just another example of why Unions have not outlived their usefulness.

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I think it's pretty clear the employees behavior has changed though. It seems as if they were growing closer than ever. You think it was all just him?

He was at fault too, but when one person owns the place, and another person has an agreement to show up at certain hours for pay, the one who owns the place is the one who gets to stay. I feel bad for the girl who got fired, but I also understand it. People all over the place make decisions to distance themselves from certain people of the opposite sex in order to keep the family together. I would guess that many of the married guys on this board had women they were pretty good friends with that slowly eroded as they got closer to marriage and eventually married. This just happened to be at work but it still was considered necessary.
Unions are not designed to guarantee someone never gets terminated, and shouldn't be designed to do so. They should be designed to stop unjust firings. If you feel this firing was unjust that is different, but I don't really see why a business owner shouldn't be allowed to fire an employee they are no longer able to work with.

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At least he consulted with his preacher and he advised him to fire her. Preacher was even nice enough to be in the room when he canned her. What a tool.

But to me, as a 40-year old married guy, I don't think it's moral or ethical for me to have a hot perky 22-year-old breathing down my neck at the dentist's chair for 8 hours a day. I can "control myself" in that situation, but I just don't feel it's appropriate. You are denying me that right.

You might retort that I shouldn't have hired her in the first place, but, isn't discrimination during the hiring process the same as discrimination when you let someone go? And also, what if I wasn't married when I hired her, and then I get married later?

Gotta love the "she was asking for it" defense.

Nowhere in the article does it imply what you're implying here.

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Kind of. There is nothing wrong with thinking that a woman was "asking for it" when what she was asking for is not illegal. The "she was asking for it" defense for rape never works because it's never justified. However, having feelings of attraction to a person is not illegal. Now, if he had been sexually harassing her that's different, but she isn't claiming that. So yes, I do believe that she was growing closer to him as time went on and unfortunately, as often happens in these situations, it worked out poorly.
No, common sense does.

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The rapist defense has infiltrated the workplace.

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Just because she isn't claiming it doesn't mean he wasn't. Filing a sexual harassment claim is a scarlet letter in the same workforce where a female can get fired for being too attractive to their boss. He even once told Nelson that if his pants were bulging, she would know her outfits were too revealing, the lawsuit said. And he quipped about her irregular sex life, saying it was “like having a Lamborghini in the garage and never driving it.”

If you were using common sense you would have realized that telling a coworker she caused a bulge in your pants is sexual harrassment.

What you're saying here is that common sense = knowing she was lying about this whole ordeal and she secretly wanted to sleep with a 53 year old dude. I think you should rethink what you consider common sense.

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Oh but it is the same ..... transfer of blame and denial of self-control because of the other party. Aside from the activity itself, the reasoning is 100% the same. To wit:

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/swaziland-bans-rapeprovoking-miniskirts-lowrise-jeans/1049615/

A given man or men cannot reasonably be held accountable for their obvious inability to control their dick-thinking, and we see that it's the same world over.

I for one am glad that, finally, we as a country are brave enough to start pointing out that we men cannot be expected to be vigilant with our horniness and, at last, we have a unanimous court ruling helping us move away from blaming us for that twitch and tingle in our pants because, damn, some women are just so fine that we're ultimately as helpless as that wolf in the Tex Avery cartoons.

Free at last, free at last; thank God Almighty, we are free at last.

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This might read like something out of Penthouse Forum, but I assure you I'm not posting it to boast about any sexual exploits, but rather because of how it relates to this story.

When I was in my late 20s or early 30s I had an affair with a much older woman. She had to be in her late 50s. Thus began my infatuation with older women. I highly doubt anyone here would have been attracted to her. She just looked like an everyday grandmother- which is what she was. But I got to know her and we connected on an emotional and intellectual level. And I'm glad we did. The experience changed me in a fundamental way. Up until that time I was only attracted to women who were "beautiful" in very conventional ways.

Anyway, this woman worked for a man who was very much in the same position as the guy in the Iowa Supreme Court case. I don't believe his wife ever insisted that he fire anyone, but eventually she did demand to have input into who he hired which is how my "girlfriend" (that doesn't ring quite right, hence the quotes) had gotten the job. One difference in her case was that the guy she worked for was not just uncomfortable with desire. He was actually banging any decent looking broad who worked for him.

My experiences with this woman were the most intense of my life. After a roll in the hay with her I felt completely depleted as if she had drained every ounce of my masculine energy. I haven't had anything like it before or since. One day after we were finished I just began laughing. She asked what I was laughing about and I said, "You work for a guy who is so horny he bangs every girl that works for him and he has the best lay in America sitting right outside his office and he doesn't even know it and his wife was happy he hired you because she thinks you're some prim and proper old lady rather than the monster fuck you are. I'm pretty sure she liked that.

Anyway, I think it's incumbent upon the employer to contain his own urges. Can I be fired because my boss has an uncontrollable urge to punch me in the face?

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Yes, Iowa is an "at will" employment state.

In that respect, legally this is the correct decision. I don't like it or feel good about it, but if I'm just looking at the law, that's how you come to that decision.

That being said, the guy is a giant fucking douche and anyone coming to his defense because he's not able to control the "bulge in his pants" is a fucking loon.

Merry Christmas!

A Diesel story for the win!

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The reasoning may be the same, but there is nothing wrong with the reasoning if it's not an illegal action that is being justified by it. She obviously is partially at fault for the strong personal connection they had formed and it's not illegal for someone to have feelings for someone. Ultimately, her firing had to do with her and his actions, which had to be stopped before something immoral happened.

She should sue for sexual harrassment if he was doing that, but she isn't. That indicates to me the feelings were both ways.

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