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You're doing it now.

We didn't have a race disagreement. I made a comment about an equity issue when it comes to certain hospitals in black communities in Chicago and you immediately dismissed it. Turned it into a discussion about "no one is intentionally killing black people." Of course you mocked the Yelp reviews and other things, but you couldn't provide evidence that Jackson Park was a quality hospital.

We've had 4 stories recently where the victims were killed by cops or former cops. Each time, your position has been the same. No one is arguing about what someone is likely to die by. You feel more comfortable making that argument or pointing to how many people were shot in Chicago than acknowledging that a white man made a mistake or that a black person was wronged. The same thing happened with Arbery in Georgia. You were so fixated on his past and his behavior in order to dismiss the actions of 3 men. At the same time you were saying "wait and see".

You're absolutely right, there are MANY times when racism is lazily used to explain something far more complex. I think a class argumentvwould explain a lot of it. Years ago we shocked the world and agreed on this. Now you're even dismissing the class argument because it would mean that you have to acknowledge that equity issues exist in this country.


What am I "doing" right now. Asking you to look at data not a few explosive cases. The argument never was is this a quality hospital or not. That's different from saying that more black people are dying from COVID because of poor health care. Why more black people are dying needs a deeper inquiry than just saying inequality at it again.

What has my "position" been in these cases? I said in the Minnesota case it was manslaughter. In the Arbery case I said we can't know from a 30 second video, and move evidence came out.

My big position is to look at the data and that will tell the story. Showing an ugly video and then saying white people are hunting black people is a dangerous and divisive lie.

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I asked the question about "asking MANY more questions". What are more questions other than profit margins?


The businesses that rip off poor people are on damn near every corner and thriving. I doubt a moderate or even large grocery store would suffer. Ripping off poor people, poisoning them and keeping them intoxicated seems to be a strategy.

Why can other communities support 3 or 4 or more grocery stores? Why do MANY of those communities have fewer businesses trying to rip them off? Why are these communities allowed to be shitholes for decades? Why is anyone surprised that crime would happen in a shithole community?

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Please liberals, continue to be against guns and go to war with the US military. I am literally begging you.


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Please liberals, continue to be against guns and go to war with the US military. I am literally begging you.


Liberals aren't against guns.

You're welcome to come see my concealed carry card for yourself.

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Please liberals, continue to be against guns and go to war with the US military. I am literally begging you.


Liberals aren't against guns.

You're welcome to come see my concealed carry card for yourself.



Maybe you're not the liberal you thought you were. :lol:

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He's liberal when it comes to calling people names on the Internet. Other than that..

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He's liberal when it comes to calling people names on the Internet. Other than that..


I'll call you a snowflake whenever we meet up for a cocktail.

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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"This" isn't normal in America in 2020. "This" is extremely rare.

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I asked the question about "asking MANY more questions". What are more questions other than profit margins?


The businesses that rip off poor people are on damn near every corner and thriving. I doubt a moderate or even large grocery store would suffer. Ripping off poor people, poisoning them and keeping them intoxicated seems to be a strategy.

Why can other communities support 3 or 4 or more grocery stores? Why do MANY of those communities have fewer businesses trying to rip them off? Why are these communities allowed to be shitholes for decades? Why is anyone surprised that crime would happen in a shithole community?


Well in Chicago until a few years ago had a bunch of laws making it hard to open new stores,ie restrictive covenants.

Guy has been charged with 3rd degree murder. Good place to start. I would if I was the prosecutor either ask for no bail or a big one, guy has already fled the state.

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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Presidential

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McConnell and trump idiotic responses in 3, 2....

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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And uprising would have clear objections, demands, and strategy. This is smashing up windows and burning buildings for fun.

Not at all.

I've thought about this a little more, and I still think so. Whether it's a large one (American Revolution) or a small one, there are factions and people have different reasons for rising up and different ways of doing so. Even in Minnesota, there were distinct groups of people protesting and people vandalizing because they are assholes, and some who probably vandalizing out of rage.

Even if you don't call it an uprising, I wonder if people say we're doing this out of self-defense. I guess that's part of an uprising.
They're not stealing TV's from Target or robbing a pawn shop blind out of "self defense", come the fuck on, Tommy. Come back to reality instead of trying to keep from saying something that board idiots will call you a racist for.

Nah I'd never call someone a racist for being critical of the rioting. That's wrong.

I would call someone a racist that makes statements such as these two however. Then you will ignore it (as you did the other day) only to return a few days later (as you're doing now) to claim that guys are being wrongly accused of it.

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That this person is considered a journalist shows the problem with the "need" for diversity.


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Rewarding idiocy because of someone's race isn't how this is supposed to work.

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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Serious question ltg, is that a racist statement if it's made by you, in reference to Trump?


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Rewarding idiocy because of someone's race isn't how this is supposed to work.

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Serious question ltg, is that a racist statement if it's made by you, in reference to Trump?


WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Rewarding idiocy because of someone's race isn't how this is supposed to work.

I wouldn't make that statement.

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Serious question ltg, is that a racist statement if it's made by you, in reference to Trump?


WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Rewarding idiocy because of someone's race isn't how this is supposed to work.


Which one?


Rewarding idiocy comment based on race

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He's liberal when it comes to calling people names on the Internet. Other than that..


I'll call you a snowflake whenever we meet up for a cocktail.


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Serious question ltg, is that a racist statement if it's made by you, in reference to Trump?


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Rewarding idiocy because of someone's race isn't how this is supposed to work.


Which one?


Rewarding idiocy comment based on race


I wouldn't make that statement.

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Serious question ltg, is that a racist statement if it's made by you, in reference to Trump?


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Rewarding idiocy because of someone's race isn't how this is supposed to work.


Which one?


Rewarding idiocy comment based on race


I wouldn't make that statement.


You don't think Trump is an idiot and was elected due in large part by white racists?

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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That's about 600lbs of cop, kneeing a human being across his entire body for multiple minutes. Should be charged equally.

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"This" isn't normal in America in 2020. "This" is extremely rare.

They finally got to TP....


I like everyone.

People should be honest at the very least.

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tommy wrote:
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"This" isn't normal in America in 2020. "This" is extremely rare.

They finally got to TP....


I like everyone.

People should be honest at the very least.

No, I am completely kidding. And I agree.

The harassment of Black Americans seems like it isn't that rare, though. As the guys at Carmel say, "If you get pulled over by the cops, tell them you play or played football at a Catholic school."


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That's about 600lbs of cop, kneeing a human being across his entire body for multiple minutes. Should be charged equally.


Not equally.

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How many stores did the protesters in Michigan burn to the ground?

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"This" isn't normal in America in 2020. "This" is extremely rare.

They finally got to TP....


I like everyone.

People should be honest at the very least.

No, I am completely kidding. And I agree.

The harassment of Black Americans seems like it isn't that rare, though.

Literally millions of interactions every year with police .

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tommy wrote:
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"This" isn't normal in America in 2020. "This" is extremely rare.

They finally got to TP....


I like everyone.

People should be honest at the very least.

No, I am completely kidding. And I agree.

The harassment of Black Americans seems like it isn't that rare, though. As the guys at Carmel say, "If you get pulled over by the cops, tell them you play or played football at a Catholic school."


The harassment of black Americans? What does that even mean? I get harassed by cops at least once a year. I have some horror stories. It doesn't make me issue a blanket statement that cops are all evil.

To me it's a form of racism to say black people they are all oppressed. And so is hiring a "diversity and justice" reported to ask question about offensive terms at press conferences. This is hypothesizing a racial crisis into being.

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Serious question ltg, is that a racist statement if it's made by you, in reference to Trump?


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Rewarding idiocy because of someone's race isn't how this is supposed to work.


Which one?


Rewarding idiocy comment based on race


I wouldn't make that statement.


You don't think Trump is an idiot and was elected due in large part by white racists?


He was rewarded for being a racist to a large degree. I never stated that he was rewarded based on race. He was rewarded largely based on his being the most overt racist in the field. That's different than being rewarded on "race" the field was mostly comprised of whites. What distinguished him from the rest of the field was his willingness to go places racially that others were not.

He also received a great deal of support from white racism.

You can quibble about what constitutes "large support"
I'm not

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