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You are right, many are not interested, but if Morey gets "punished" by the NBA for showing support democracy in Hong Kong in an effort to appease China, it will only paint the NBA in an even more unfavorable light. Morey has been very wise keeping his mouth shut to the media and just letting this play out. He took the tweet down, he doesn't owe any further explanation. I am curious how much pressure had to be applied to him to take it down, and exactly how that all went down.


how much pressure? :lol:


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I'm somewhat surprised that we haven't heard, afaik, someone mention that they were going to, or did, ask Barkley for comment. I'd at least think someone who was innerested in just stirring the pot would say they'd inquired but received no response.

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The reasons for Mahmoud being banished aren't really debatable.
Huh? He wasn't banished.

However, we are discussing if that move cost the NBA billions.

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what does Morey really have to explain that changes anything?
I hope his nickname is The Eel.

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I'm somewhat surprised that we haven't heard, afaik, someone mention that they were going to, or did, ask Barkley for comment. I'd at least think someone who was innerested in just stirring the pot would say they'd inquired but received no response.

He was asked for comment. Basically said something like it's a billion dollar business, of course the NBA isn't going to stir the pot with china.

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yes, I am just curious once he posted the tweet, what the series of events were for him to take it down. Nothing more complicated than that.


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The reasons for Mahmoud being banished aren't really debatable.
Huh? He wasn't banished.

However, we are discussing if that move cost the NBA billions.


He was displaced from the NBA because of his political views. That is indisputable. Means he was banished.

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I'm guessing it went "Are you fucking crazy? Take that fucking tweet down now! And don't say another word about it."


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The reasons for Mahmoud being banished aren't really debatable.
Huh? He wasn't banished.

However, we are discussing if that move cost the NBA billions.


It was 1990's money and how could it? There also wasn't a Chinese market to alienate at the time. Completely different situation.

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I'm guessing it went "Are you fucking crazy? Take that fucking tweet down now! And don't say another word about it."


well no shit we ALL can guess, but i'd like to know the truth.


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 Post subject: Re: The NBA
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Dave Zirin is one of the most reprehensible people on the planet earth.

https://www.thenation.com/article/nba-c ... ryl-morey/

That's a weird piece to link after saying that. Outside of seemingly misunderstanding how the revenue is split in the NBA, there's nothing really wrong with that article. Certainly nothing coming close to reprehensible.


Well, it's not the first thing I've read by that asshole, but regarding the article in question, he seems- not unlike LeBron James- to believe the critical issue is the wallets of NBA multi-millionaires. Since when did worrying about the bank accounts of the ultra-elite become woke?

I think you had to go searching for that. It seems clear to me that the thesis of the article is asking why players are being asked to answer for a mess that management got the league into, a not unfair question to ask considering the coverage of this and how it's played out.


Yep and the first person to take Morey to task about it was his own owner. Somehow this was missed. Must be a Trump supporter.



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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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The reasons for Mahmoud being banished aren't really debatable.
Huh? He wasn't banished.

However, we are discussing if that move cost the NBA billions.


He was displaced from the NBA because of his political views. That is indisputable. Means he was banished.

He did it during the 1995-1996 season. He would play 3 more NBA seasons after that. The year he left the NBA the first time he retired and cited a loss of interest in the game.

So no, not banished.

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 Post subject: Re: The NBA
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
long time guy wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Dave Zirin is one of the most reprehensible people on the planet earth.

https://www.thenation.com/article/nba-c ... ryl-morey/

That's a weird piece to link after saying that. Outside of seemingly misunderstanding how the revenue is split in the NBA, there's nothing really wrong with that article. Certainly nothing coming close to reprehensible.


Well, it's not the first thing I've read by that asshole, but regarding the article in question, he seems- not unlike LeBron James- to believe the critical issue is the wallets of NBA multi-millionaires. Since when did worrying about the bank accounts of the ultra-elite become woke?

I think you had to go searching for that. It seems clear to me that the thesis of the article is asking why players are being asked to answer for a mess that management got the league into, a not unfair question to ask considering the coverage of this and how it's played out.


Yep and the first person to take Morey to task about it was his own owner. Somehow this was missed. Must be a Trump supporter.



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Its no coincidence that you and a few others bypassed the comments of the owner in order to see what 3 known Trump bashers had to say.

If it were truly not about Trump then why has there been little focus on the owners throughout this entire discussion?

They muzzled Morey. Not Lebron James.

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The reasons for Mahmoud being banished aren't really debatable.
Huh? He wasn't banished.

However, we are discussing if that move cost the NBA billions.


It was 1990's money and how could it? There also wasn't a Chinese market to alienate at the time. Completely different situation.
So as I said, that wasn't an example that cost the NBA billions, and he still was punished a total of a 2 day ban.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
The reasons for Mahmoud being banished aren't really debatable.
Huh? He wasn't banished.

However, we are discussing if that move cost the NBA billions.


He was displaced from the NBA because of his political views. That is indisputable. Means he was banished.

He did it during the 1995-1996 season. He would play 3 more NBA seasons after that. The year he left the NBA the first time he retired and cited a loss of interest in the game.

So no, not banished.


I, along with him beg to differ.

https://www.denverpost.com/2019/07/23/m ... nored-lsu/

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
The reasons for Mahmoud being banished aren't really debatable.
Huh? He wasn't banished.

However, we are discussing if that move cost the NBA billions.


He was displaced from the NBA because of his political views. That is indisputable. Means he was banished.

He did it during the 1995-1996 season. He would play 3 more NBA seasons after that. The year he left the NBA the first time he retired and cited a loss of interest in the game.

So no, not banished.


:lol: :lol: :lol: Some lost love that must have had. He continued playing professionally even after his NBA career was over.

That turned out to be prescient. At the end of the season, the Nuggets traded him — their highest-scoring player — to the Sacramento Kings. There, coaches put him on the court less and less. It was a process to weed him out, he told the Undefeated. When his contract ended in 1998, no NBA team would take him.

“It’s kind of like a setup,” he told the Undefeated. “You know, trying to set you up to fail and so when they get rid of you, they can blame it on that as opposed to, it was really because he took these positions.”

Abdul-Rauf left the United States to play for a league in Turkey. He got one more crack at the NBA playing for the Vancouver Grizzlies in 2000-01 but still didn’t get much playing time. After that, he played in leagues all over the world, including Italy, Greece and Saudi Arabia.

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he blew out his knee and sucked thereafter which didn't help his cause any

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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The reasons for Mahmoud being banished aren't really debatable.
Huh? He wasn't banished.

However, we are discussing if that move cost the NBA billions.


It was 1990's money and how could it? There also wasn't a Chinese market to alienate at the time. Completely different situation.
So as I said, that wasn't an example that cost the NBA billions, and he still was punished a total of a 2 day ban.


How could it cost them the "Chinese market" if there was no "Chinese market"? 2. NBA basketball was nowhere near the global sensation that it is today.

Can't piss off a foreign power if there is no global power to piss off Brick.

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:lol: :lol: :lol: Some lost love that must have had. He continued playing professionally even after his NBA career was over.
What do you mean? He retired from basketball and cited a loss of love of basketball. He then returned to the Grizzlies later and then he played more.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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The reasons for Mahmoud being banished aren't really debatable.
Huh? He wasn't banished.

However, we are discussing if that move cost the NBA billions.


It was 1990's money and how could it? There also wasn't a Chinese market to alienate at the time. Completely different situation.
So as I said, that wasn't an example that cost the NBA billions, and he still was punished a total of a 2 day ban.


How could it cost them the "Chinese market" if there was no "Chinese market"? 2. NBA basketball was nowhere near the global sensation that it is today.

Can't piss off a foreign power if there is no global power to piss off Brick.

Are you having a different conversation here than the rest of us? The discussion is about how other players would have been punished for costing them billions. The only example that could even be up for debate is that one and it clearly didn't cost the NBA that much.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
The reasons for Mahmoud being banished aren't really debatable.
Huh? He wasn't banished.

However, we are discussing if that move cost the NBA billions.


It was 1990's money and how could it? There also wasn't a Chinese market to alienate at the time. Completely different situation.
So as I said, that wasn't an example that cost the NBA billions, and he still was punished a total of a 2 day ban.


How could it cost them the "Chinese market" if there was no "Chinese market"? 2. NBA basketball was nowhere near the global sensation that it is today.

Can't piss off a foreign power if there is no global power to piss off Brick.

Are you having a different conversation here than the rest of us? The discussion is about how other players would have been punished for costing them billions. The only example that could even be up for debate is that one and it clearly didn't cost the NBA that much.


The value of NBA franchises wasn't in the billions back then.

Chris Jackson was banished when it wasn't worth "Billions". What do you think would happen today?

No other person has ever spoken out against China. There is a reason for that. There also is a reason that value of NBA franchises have skyrocketed in the past 5 or so years.

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The value of NBA franchises wasn't weren't in the billions back then.

Chris Jackson was banished when it wasn't worth "Billions". What do you think would happen today?

No other person has ever spoken out against China. There is a reason for that. There also is a reason that value of NBA franchises have skyrocketed in the past 5 or so years.
Let me try this again.

The question was what would happen to a player if they cost the NBA billions? The answer is that it's a bad question because it has never happened but presumably not much at all would happen to them.

If Kris Dunn posts that Taiwan should be free on twitter are they going to punish him any more than Morey has been?

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What in those books made him worthy of asshole status?

Almost as if some folks think people who's politics they find distasteful are reprehensible or.... deplorable.


It's not political to say everyone with this skin color is problematic.

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The value of NBA franchises wasn't weren't in the billions back then.

Chris Jackson was banished when it wasn't worth "Billions". What do you think would happen today?

No other person has ever spoken out against China. There is a reason for that. There also is a reason that value of NBA franchises have skyrocketed in the past 5 or so years.
Let me try this again.

The question was what would happen to a player if they cost the NBA billions? The answer is that it's a bad question because it has never happened but presumably not much at all would happen to them.

If Kris Dunn posts that Taiwan should be free on twitter are they going to punish him any more than Morey has been?


You will not know until it happens. If China pulls out of the NBA it would cost a billion dollars and Morey would be fired over it.

There isn't a player alive that is worth billions other than possibly Lebron which makes the point moot.

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What in those books made him worthy of asshole status?

Almost as if some folks think people who's politics they find distasteful are reprehensible or.... deplorable.


It's not political to say everyone with this skin color is problematic.

That's a nice thought in theory

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The value of NBA franchises wasn't weren't in the billions back then.

Chris Jackson was banished when it wasn't worth "Billions". What do you think would happen today?

No other person has ever spoken out against China. There is a reason for that. There also is a reason that value of NBA franchises have skyrocketed in the past 5 or so years.
Let me try this again.

The question was what would happen to a player if they cost the NBA billions? The answer is that it's a bad question because it has never happened but presumably not much at all would happen to them.

If Kris Dunn posts that Taiwan should be free on twitter are they going to punish him any more than Morey has been?


You will not know until it happens. If China pulls out of the NBA it would cost a billion dollars and Morey would be fired over it.

There isn't a player alive that is worth billions other than possibly Lebron which makes the point moot.
Morey isn't worth billions but supposedly cost the NBA billions.

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long time guy wrote:
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The value of NBA franchises wasn't weren't in the billions back then.

Chris Jackson was banished when it wasn't worth "Billions". What do you think would happen today?

No other person has ever spoken out against China. There is a reason for that. There also is a reason that value of NBA franchises have skyrocketed in the past 5 or so years.
Let me try this again.

The question was what would happen to a player if they cost the NBA billions? The answer is that it's a bad question because it has never happened but presumably not much at all would happen to them.

If Kris Dunn posts that Taiwan should be free on twitter are they going to punish him any more than Morey has been?


You will not know until it happens. If China pulls out of the NBA it would cost a billion dollars and Morey would be fired over it.

There isn't a player alive that is worth billions other than possibly Lebron which makes the point moot.
Morey isn't worth billions but supposedly cost the NBA billions.


Has he cost them billions?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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The value of NBA franchises wasn't weren't in the billions back then.

Chris Jackson was banished when it wasn't worth "Billions". What do you think would happen today?

No other person has ever spoken out against China. There is a reason for that. There also is a reason that value of NBA franchises have skyrocketed in the past 5 or so years.
Let me try this again.

The question was what would happen to a player if they cost the NBA billions? The answer is that it's a bad question because it has never happened but presumably not much at all would happen to them.

If Kris Dunn posts that Taiwan should be free on twitter are they going to punish him any more than Morey has been?


You will not know until it happens. If China pulls out of the NBA it would cost a billion dollars and Morey would be fired over it.

There isn't a player alive that is worth billions other than possibly Lebron which makes the point moot.
Morey isn't worth billions but supposedly cost the NBA billions.


Which person stated this?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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The value of NBA franchises wasn't weren't in the billions back then.

Chris Jackson was banished when it wasn't worth "Billions". What do you think would happen today?

No other person has ever spoken out against China. There is a reason for that. There also is a reason that value of NBA franchises have skyrocketed in the past 5 or so years.
Let me try this again.

The question was what would happen to a player if they cost the NBA billions? The answer is that it's a bad question because it has never happened but presumably not much at all would happen to them.

If Kris Dunn posts that Taiwan should be free on twitter are they going to punish him any more than Morey has been?


You will not know until it happens. If China pulls out of the NBA it would cost a billion dollars and Morey would be fired over it.

There isn't a player alive that is worth billions other than possibly Lebron which makes the point moot.
Morey isn't worth billions but supposedly cost the NBA billions.


Which person stated this?
The author of the article we are discussing. :lol:

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