Sandusky sentence

FavreFan · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:09 am

Seacrest wrote:

My point is simple;

If someone disagrees with you on Islam, they are prejudiced.

If someone disagrees with you on gay marriage, they are prejudiced.

If someone posts things about the current election you disagree with, they are batshit crazy.

When someone points out to you that someone may be posting about Sandusky from a deeply personal perspective, you disregard it out of hand and judge them as batshit crazy.

I don't have a point beyond that. I asked if you read what you posted before you hit submit. You answered in the affirmative.

Yes, people who think Muslims are inherently more violent or worse people are prejudiced, pretty much by definition.
Yes, people who think gay people should not be treated the same as straight people are prejudiced, pretty much by definition.
No, I dont think people who disagree with me on the election are crazy or somehow bigoted. That would involved almost everyone on the board, and I like the majority of the board.
I didn't disregard your speculation out of hand, I just said I am choosing not to engage in it. I dont think its appropriate.

Good talk.

Seacrest · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:13 am

FavreFan wrote:

Seacrest wrote:

My point is simple;

If someone disagrees with you on Islam, they are prejudiced.

If someone disagrees with you on gay marriage, they are prejudiced.

If someone posts things about the current election you disagree with, they are batshit crazy.

When someone points out to you that someone may be posting about Sandusky from a deeply personal perspective, you disregard it out of hand and judge them as batshit crazy.

I don't have a point beyond that. I asked if you read what you posted before you hit submit. You answered in the affirmative.

Yes, people who think Muslims are inherently more violent or worse people are prejudiced, pretty much by definition.
Yes, people who think gay people should not be treated the same as straight people are prejudiced, pretty much by definition.
No, I dont think people who disagree with me on the election are crazy or somehow bigoted. That would involved almost everyone on the board, and I like the majority of the board.
I didn't disregard your speculation out of hand, I just said I am choosing not to engage in it. I dont think its appropriate.

Good talk.

So in conclusion, you would rather call someone batshit crazy then engage in the thought that,

" Wow, this person may have suffered the same consequences as a victim of Sandusky did?"

FavreFan · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:15 am

Seacrest wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Seacrest wrote:

My point is simple;

If someone disagrees with you on Islam, they are prejudiced.

If someone disagrees with you on gay marriage, they are prejudiced.

If someone posts things about the current election you disagree with, they are batshit crazy.

When someone points out to you that someone may be posting about Sandusky from a deeply personal perspective, you disregard it out of hand and judge them as batshit crazy.

I don't have a point beyond that. I asked if you read what you posted before you hit submit. You answered in the affirmative.

Yes, people who think Muslims are inherently more violent or worse people are prejudiced, pretty much by definition.
Yes, people who think gay people should not be treated the same as straight people are prejudiced, pretty much by definition.
No, I dont think people who disagree with me on the election are crazy or somehow bigoted. That would involved almost everyone on the board, and I like the majority of the board.
I didn't disregard your speculation out of hand, I just said I am choosing not to engage in it. I dont think its appropriate.

Good talk.

So in conclusion, you would rather call someone batshit crazy then engage in the thought that,

" Wow, this person may have suffered the same consequences as a victim of Sandusky did?"

Im going by his history of posting, not this thread alone. If a calm, rational poster had the same reaction he did I most likely wouldn't have said anything to them or certainly wouldnt have been that harsh. I have no problem admitting I dont have a lot of respect for cpguy or his thoughts.

And like I already said, I think it is inappropriate to speculate on who here was sexually abused as a child. If you want to, have at it though.

Frank Coztansa · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:16 am

Seacrest wrote:

" Wow, this person may have suffered the same consequences as a victim of Sandusky did?"

Even if this was true, suggesting-- quite seriously I might add-- that Sandusky should be tortured AND that said torture should be shown on TV is actually batshit crazy.

Seacrest · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:25 am

Frank Coztansa wrote:

Seacrest wrote:

" Wow, this person may have suffered the same consequences as a victim of Sandusky did?"

Even if this was true, suggesting-- quite seriously I might add-- that Sandusky should be tortured AND that said torture should be shown on TV is actually batshit crazy.

Francis, If you encountered a victim of Sandusky's at your next gig and they told you of the pain and suffering they have had to endure because of the abuse and that they wished Sandusky to suffer what cp said, my gut tells me you wouldn't call them batshit crazy.

FavreFan · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:28 am

Seacrest wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

Seacrest wrote:

" Wow, this person may have suffered the same consequences as a victim of Sandusky did?"

Even if this was true, suggesting-- quite seriously I might add-- that Sandusky should be tortured AND that said torture should be shown on TV is actually batshit crazy.

Francis, If you encountered a victim of Sandusky's at your next gig and they told you of the pain and suffering they have had to endure because of the abuse and that they wished Sandusky to suffer what cp said, my gut tells me you wouldn't call them batshit crazy.

I wouldnt call them that either but that is a wildly different scenario than someone who is known for trolling on a message board saying outlandish shit and getting called out on it.

Frank Coztansa · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:31 am

Wanting Sandusky to suffer and wanting to show his suffering on live TV are two totally different things there, Seacrest. An actual victim of Sandusky wanting him to suffer could actually be considered rational thought.

Seriously wanting to broadcast that suffering on live tv-- while charging people money to view-- is batshit crazy.

Seacrest · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:32 am

FavreFan wrote:

Seacrest wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

Seacrest wrote:

" Wow, this person may have suffered the same consequences as a victim of Sandusky did?"

Even if this was true, suggesting-- quite seriously I might add-- that Sandusky should be tortured AND that said torture should be shown on TV is actually batshit crazy.

Francis, If you encountered a victim of Sandusky's at your next gig and they told you of the pain and suffering they have had to endure because of the abuse and that they wished Sandusky to suffer what cp said, my gut tells me you wouldn't call them batshit crazy.

I wouldnt call them that either but that is a wildly different scenario than someone who is known for trolling on a message board saying outlandish shit and getting called out on it.

I think folks argue more intensely around subjects or issues that have effected them personally.

Seacrest · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:34 am

Frank Coztansa wrote:

Wanting Sandusky to suffer and wanting to show his suffering on live TV are two totally different things there, Seacrest. An actual victim of Sandusky wanting him to suffer could actually be considered rational thought.

Seriously wanting to broadcast that suffering on live tv-- while charging people money to view-- is batshit crazy.

That type of death is free to the public in some countries.

Frank Coztansa · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:35 am

So because other countries do it, we should? Because other countries do it, that makes it less crazy of a thought?

Other countries torture and kill women who commit adultery. Should we start doing that too? If somebody really and truly believed we should, you would consider that a sane and rational thought/opinion?

Seacrest · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:40 am

Frank Coztansa wrote:

:lol: So because other countries do it, we should? Because other countries do it, that makes it less crazy of a thought?

Other countries torture and kill women who commit adultery. Should we start doing that too? If somebody really and truly believed we should, you would consider that a sane and rational thought/opinion?

Said nothing of the sort Francis. And i'm really not sure how you gleaned that answer from the response.

I don't think it's a long walk from a victim wanting to see him suffer, and wanting it to be on tv. Especially a victim that had had to testify at a public trial.

FavreFan · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:45 am

Seacrest wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

:lol: So because other countries do it, we should? Because other countries do it, that makes it less crazy of a thought?

Other countries torture and kill women who commit adultery. Should we start doing that too? If somebody really and truly believed we should, you would consider that a sane and rational thought/opinion?

Said nothing of the sort Francis. And i'm really not sure how you gleaned that answer from the response.

I don't think it's a long walk from a victim wanting to see him suffer, and wanting it to be on tv. Especially a victim that had had to testify at a public trial.

First, it's easy to see how Frank gleaned that. If you were not using other country's practice of torture as a testament to its acceptance, than what was the point of you posting it?

Second, you are projecting alot of highly improbable hypotheticals on cpguy here. By your logic it's impossible to criticize anything anyone ever writes on here because you don't know their entire life story. Cpguy comes across as an irrational asshole. As I already said, this isn't a new revelation that comes from this thread. It's an opinion I and some others share about him based on his history of posting.

Frank Coztansa · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:45 am

You pointed out how that was shown in a public forum in other countries. As if that makes it ok. That is what I inferred from that. It was not at all a "long walk" to go from what you said to what I said.

I think a victim wanting the perp to suffer is actually a perfectly sane thought.

I think anybody- victim or not- wanting to see him suffer or wanting others to see him suffer is crazy.

Frank Coztansa · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:53 am

I don't want to speak for FF, but I would think he considers this act to be "batshit crazy" as do I; viewtopic.php?f=149&t=73928

Don Tiny · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:54 am

Frank Coztansa wrote:

I think anybody- victim or not- wanting to see him suffer or wanting others to see him suffer is crazy.

Not crazy, but psycho-sociopathic ... which would probably tie a notable portion of this thread up into a nice little package.

Seacrest · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:55 am

Frank Coztansa wrote:

You pointed out how that was shown in a public forum in other countries. As if that makes it ok. That is what I inferred from that. It was not at all a "long walk" to go from what you said to what I said.

I think a victim wanting the perp to suffer is actually a perfectly sane thought.

I think anybody- victim or not- wanting to see him suffer or wanting others to see him suffer is crazy.

Thanks Frank.

We can agree that countries where people are tortured and killed publicly are more violent, or perhaps less sane than our own. And I agree that might also go for the citizens who attend the public torturing and killing of their citizens. And it should never happen anywhere else also.

This along with the point you made about the perp we can also agree on.

Spaulding · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:27 pm

I can't remember if you've gone over this. Seacrest, do you support the death penalty?

Seacrest · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:30 pm

FavreFan wrote:

Our government shouldn't be in the execution business though.

Period.

I have posted almost the exact same quote here twice before.

Chus · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:45 pm

pittmike wrote:

Castration might be a deterrent

Put Sandusky in a one room structure, such as a tool shed. Glue his scrotum and penis to the floor, hand him a dull, rusty pocket knife, and light the building on fire.

Edit: I'm not serious, but it does conjure up some imagery.

cpguy · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:27 pm

FavreFan wrote:

Seacrest wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

:lol: So because other countries do it, we should? Because other countries do it, that makes it less crazy of a thought?

Other countries torture and kill women who commit adultery. Should we start doing that too? If somebody really and truly believed we should, you would consider that a sane and rational thought/opinion?

Said nothing of the sort Francis. And i'm really not sure how you gleaned that answer from the response.

I don't think it's a long walk from a victim wanting to see him suffer, and wanting it to be on tv. Especially a victim that had had to testify at a public trial.

First, it's easy to see how Frank gleaned that. If you were not using other country's practice of torture as a testament to its acceptance, than what was the point of you posting it?

Second, you are projecting alot of highly improbable hypotheticals on cpguy here. By your logic it's impossible to criticize anything anyone ever writes on here because you don't know their entire life story. Cpguy comes across as an irrational asshole. As I already said, this isn't a new revelation that comes from this thread. It's an opinion I and some others share about him based on his history of posting.

Irrational asshole? Care to back that up with examples or do you just throw words out there? I'm I an irrational asshole because I am a Cubs fan and a Romney supporter?? That is where 98% of my post have been...

And no, I am not a victim of sexual abuse but I do believe the current sentencing guidelines for sexual predators is way to timid.

And people who sexually abuse multiple children frankly should either be castrated (with life sentences) or executed.

stoneroses86 · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:35 pm

Pedophile Sandusky will most certainly die in prison.

I am pretty pleased about that.

It may be time for some well placed wrestling photographs in this thread.

Terry's Peeps · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:39 pm

stoneroses86 · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:41 pm

LAUGHING OUT LOUD!

Seacrest · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:46 pm

Frank Coztansa wrote:

Because other countries do it, that makes it less crazy of a thought?
Other countries torture and kill women who commit adultery. Should we start doing that too? If somebody really and truly believed we should, you would consider that a sane and rational thought/opinion?

Frank Coztansa wrote:

I don't want to speak for FF, but I would think he considers this act to be "batshit crazy" as do I; viewtopic.php?f=149&t=73928

FavreFan wrote:

Yes, people who think Muslims are inherently more violent or worse people are prejudiced, pretty much by definition.
Good talk.

Good talk indeed.

We can and should consider ourselves a more civilized or sane country because we don't engage in the type of behavior cpguy desires.

I'll let you decide for yourselves who the "worse people" are.

Let's just dispense with the supposition that Muslims are inherently less violent until we do a little more research.

Frank Coztansa · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:04 pm

And with that one asinine reply, you have just lumped all Muslims worldwide in with the Taliban. And this comes from the same guy who just hours ago said, "do you read what you write before you hit submit?"

Do you, Seacrest?

Seacrest · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:09 pm

Frank Coztansa wrote:

And with that one asinine reply, you have just lumped all Muslims worldwide in with the Taliban. And this comes from the same guy who just hours ago said, "do you read what you write before you hit submit?"

Do you, Seacrest?

Every place you called crazy or insane for their punishments is a Muslim nation Frank. I took the replies of two posters calling other people crazy and showed them the craziness of what they posted.

If you aren't comfortable with what you wrote, disavow it. If you are, then who is the asinine one here?

Frank Coztansa · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:13 pm

Seacrest, in what you posted, you put ALL Muslims into one violent group. That just happened.

You do understand that what you just did is the exact same thing you were accusing and chastising FF of doing when you decided to stick your nose into this thread earlier today?

Yes, Seacrest there are places and religions in the world that have some pretty fucked up rules. That does not mean all Muslims or all Muslims areas are crazy. Assuming that they all are crazy and/or violent, would be prejudiced.

I guess what you are saying in this thread is to do what you say, but not as you do.

stoneroses86 · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:19 pm

Seacrest · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:20 pm

Frank Coztansa wrote:

Seacrest, in what you posted, you put ALL Muslims into one violent group. That just happened.

You do understand that what you just did is the exact same thing you were accusing and chastising FF of doing when you decided to stick your nose into this thread earlier today?

Yes, Seacrest there are places and religions in the world that have some pretty fucked up rules. That does not mean all Muslims or all Muslims areas are crazy.

Frank, are you actually serious?

There are millions of Muslims who don't live in the nations YOU described. Some our neighbors of yours and mine. No where in any post are all of any group referred to. No even mentioned that all Muslims are crazy but you.

Frank Coztansa · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:21 pm

Seacrest wrote:

No where in any post are all of any group referred to. No even mentioned that all Muslims are crazy but you.

Except for yours;

Seacrest wrote:

Let's just dispense with the supposition that Muslims are inherently less violent until we do a little more research.

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