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Their pockets are so deep that any settlement is chump change..tragic no doubt, but a two year old should never be in that situation.. Any freshwater in Florida is almost guaranteed to have gators in it.

Reports were that Disney would kill some every now and then.

Beardown wrote:

Reports were that Disney would kill some every now and then.

just for fun ?

Why don't they just ban gators?

I don't know if you should expect them to list all the reasons why you shouldn't be swimming.

pittmike wrote:

Why don't they just ban gators?

BUILD A WALL

I don't know if you should expect them to list all the reasons why you shouldn't be swimming. If it says "No swimming" then you don't let your kids go into the water. From what I remember, Disney makes it pretty clear that the swimming areas are swimming pools and not open water.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

I don't know if you should expect them to list all the reasons why you shouldn't be swimming.

Well you don't have to be swimming for a gator to come out of the water and attack.

that article smacks of subjective descriptors. "growing increasingly worried" seems pretty flimsy.

that being said, if there are documents and stuff showing that worry, there may be a suit. but i bet disney takes care of this family without much push.

pittmike wrote:

Why don't they just ban gators?

BUILD A WALL

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

I've seen plenty of "Danger: Gators" signs all over Florida. They're not that hard to get.

I believe they have a higher duty to warn their customers than simply putting out an innocuous "no swimming" sign. For instance, in my head, "no swimming" is not the same as "stay out of the water". Is walking in the water up to your ankles swimming? Sure seems obvious that the customers didn't think so because I've seen lots of photos today posted of kids playing in the very shallow area of that lake right next to the beach.

Also keep in mind that gators make it dangerous to be in the water as well as walking NEAR the water. Kids on that beach who don't go in are still in danger of being attacked. Gators routinely hunt prey that is on land and use the shallow water as cover to hide their approach. How does a generic "no swimming" sign help in that situation?

Throw in this article just posted and if its true that Disney knew people were feeding the gators then they are gonna be in massive trouble. Everyone knows that feeding gators is the worst thing you can do and makes them associate humans with feeding time.

shakes wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Why would you think it would be safe to enter water that says "No swimming"?

There are plenty of "Do not enter" signs at Disney too. They don't tell you why you shouldn't enter.

As I said just a minute ago too, if the gator got him on land then we have something here.

conns7901 wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

I don't know if you should expect them to list all the reasons why you shouldn't be swimming.

Well you don't have to be swimming for a gator to come out of the water and attack.

But this kid was in the water.

If the gator got him in a walkway then it is a different discussion.

conns7901 wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

I don't know if you should expect them to list all the reasons why you shouldn't be swimming.

Well you don't have to be swimming for a gator to come out of the water and attack.

But this kid was in the water.

If the gator got him in a walkway then it is a different discussion.

I think the reports clearly said that the child wasnt swimming. He was in shallow water at the shoreline, not doing laps in the middle of the lake. Its semantics but a WARNING: GATORS sign would have been more accurate.

Author:	redskingreg [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 1:48 pm ]
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They're fucked. http://www.thewrap.com/gator-attack-dis ... exclusive/

Author:	312player [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 1:52 pm ]
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Their pockets are so deep that any settlement is chump change..tragic no doubt, but a two year old should never be in that situation.. Any freshwater in Florida is almost guaranteed to have gators in it.

Author:	shakes [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:01 pm ]
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LOL, we posted the same post minutes apart. I didn't even know about all this stuff from the article. Yea, they are completely fucked as they should be.

Author:	Beardown [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:02 pm ]
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Agreed. Still should have been a sign saying "Gators in water". Amazing there wasn't. Cuz honestly, there are crackers that aren't aware of the Florida Gator population. You can't assume everybody knows about it. This family was from Nebraska. So obviously this mom and dad weren't aware. Still so sad.

Author:	shakes [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:03 pm ]
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312player wrote: Their pockets are so deep that any settlement is chump change..tragic no doubt, but a two year old should never be in that situation.. Any freshwater in Florida is almost guaranteed to have gators in it. Here is my post from the other thread addressing that.... At first when I heard the alligator vs toddler story I blamed the parents for being dumb enough to let their kid go in a body of water in Florida that isn't a swimming pool. But, then when I started to see photos and videos of the location I changed my tune. Man made lake, inside what appears to be an outdoor entertainment area of the resort. Man made beach at the lake, connected to a swimming pool 20 feet away, lots of little kids playing around the water at the beach, signs that say "no swimming" but no signs warning people about gators. And throw in 1000s of invitees, most of whom are from out of state and aren't familiar with alligator safety. I don't think it would be unreasonable to assume that you were in a safe, protected environment when you were letting your kids play at that beach. I would sue the shit out of Disney for this.

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Author:	DannyB [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:05 pm ]
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312player wrote: Their pockets are so deep that any settlement is chump change..tragic no doubt, but a two year old should never be in that situation.. Any freshwater in Florida is almost guaranteed to have gators in it. That's a $40m case. Fire up the Wings of Justice II, Willie Gary is coming in. http://abovethelaw.com/2012/10/touring- ... lie-style/

Author:	Beardown [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:06 pm ]
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They're gonna get tens of millions of dollars from Disney. There is no doubt. Yes, it's a man made lake. But there are canals that connect to it in the area. So the Gators got there. Like I said, if floors me that Disney did not put up a "Gators in Water" sign. Because they were aware that Gators were there. Reports were that Disney would kill some every now and then.

Author:	Bagels [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:07 pm ]
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Beardown wrote: Reports were that Disney would kill some every now and then. just for fun ?

Author:	Brick [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:08 pm ]
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I don't know if you should expect them to list all the reasons why you shouldn't be swimming. If it says "No swimming" then you don't let your kids go into the water. From what I remember, Disney makes it pretty clear that the swimming areas are swimming pools and not open water. Disney will settle with them though.

Author:	Beardown [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:09 pm ]
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Bagels wrote: Beardown wrote: Reports were that Disney would kill some every now and then. just for fun ? No. The report I heard was they killed "Nuisance Gators". Whatever that means.

Author:	hnd [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:16 pm ]
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that article smacks of subjective descriptors. "growing increasingly worried" seems pretty flimsy. that being said, if there are documents and stuff showing that worry, there may be a suit. but i bet disney takes care of this family without much push.

Author:	pittmike [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:22 pm ]
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Why don't they just ban gators?

Author:	Bagels [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:24 pm ]
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pittmike wrote: Why don't they just ban gators? BUILD A WALL

Author:	conns7901 [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:24 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: I don't know if you should expect them to list all the reasons why you shouldn't be swimming. Well you don't have to be swimming for a gator to come out of the water and attack.

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Author:	conns7901 [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:25 pm ]
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Bagels wrote: pittmike wrote: Why don't they just ban gators? BUILD A WALL Make Disney Great Again.

Author:	shakes [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:25 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Disney
Boilermaker Rick wrote: I don't know if you should expect them to list all the reasons why you shouldn't be swimming. If it says "No swimming" then you don't let your kids go into the water. From what I remember, Disney makes it pretty clear that the swimming areas are swimming pools and not open water. . I've seen plenty of "Danger: Gators" signs all over Florida. They're not that hard to get. I believe they have a higher duty to warn their customers than simply putting out an innocuous "no swimming" sign. For instance, in my head, "no swimming" is not the same as "stay out of the water". Is walking in the water up to your ankles swimming? Sure seems obvious that the customers didn't think so because I've seen lots of photos today posted of kids playing in the very shallow area of that lake right next to the beach. Also keep in mind that gators make it dangerous to be in the water as well as walking NEAR the water. Kids on that beach who don't go in are still in danger of being attacked. Gators routinely hunt prey that is on land and use the shallow water as cover to hide their approach. How does a generic "no swimming" sign help in that situation? Throw in this article just posted and if its true that Disney knew people were feeding the gators then they are gonna be in massive trouble. Everyone knows that feeding gators is the worst thing you can do and makes them associate humans with feeding time.

Author:	Brick [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:26 pm ]
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conns7901 wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: I don't know if you should expect them to list all the reasons why you shouldn't be swimming. Well you don't have to be swimming for a gator to come out of the water and attack. But this kid was in the water. If the gator got him in a walkway then it is a different discussion.

Author:	Hank Scorpio [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:26 pm ]
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hnd wrote: that article smacks of subjective descriptors. "growing increasingly worried" seems pretty flimsy. that being said, if there are documents and stuff showing that worry, there may be a suit. but i bet disney takes care of this family without much push. There is no amount of money that would have me just shut up about it. Even if I lost going to trial, I would want to make as much Disney bullshit go public as I could.

Author:	RFDC [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:26 pm ]
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Bagels wrote: pittmike wrote: Why don't they just ban gators? BUILD A WALL And make the dumb gators pay for it.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:27 pm ]
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SWIMS JUST FINE.

Author:	Brick [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:29 pm ]
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shakes wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: I don't know if you should expect them to list all the reasons why you shouldn't be swimming. If it says "No swimming" then you don't let your kids go into the water. From what I remember, Disney makes it pretty clear that the swimming areas are swimming pools and not open water. . I've seen plenty of "Danger: Gators" signs all over Florida. They're not that hard to get. I believe they have a higher duty to warn their customers than simply putting out an innocuous "no swimming" sign. For instance, in my head, "no swimming" is not the same as "stay out of the water". Is walking in the water up to your ankles swimming? Sure seems obvious that the customers didn't think so because I've seen lots of photos today posted of kids playing in the very shallow area of that lake right next to the beach. Also keep in mind that gators make it dangerous to be in the water as well as walking NEAR the water. Kids on that beach who don't go in are still in danger of being attacked. Gators routinely hunt prey that is on land and use the shallow water as cover to hide their approach. How does a generic "no swimming" sign help in that situation? Throw in this article just posted and if its true that Disney knew people were feeding the gators then they are gonna be in massive trouble. Everyone knows that feeding gators is the worst thing you can do and makes them associate humans with feeding time. Why would you think it would be safe to enter water that says "No swimming"? There are plenty of "Do not enter" signs at Disney too. They don't tell you why you shouldn't enter. As I said just a minute ago too, if the gator got him on land then we have something here.

Author:	hnd [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:29 pm ]
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when we were at disney 3 years ago we stayed at the park and they explicitly told us about the gators and to stay away from the water.

Author:	Hatchetman [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:29 pm ]
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I have photos of my kids on that exact same beach. they went in knee deep or so. just my luck, some other bastard is gonna be rich.

Author:	Hank Scorpio [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:30 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: shakes wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: I don't know if you should expect them to list all the reasons why you shouldn't be swimming. If it says "No swimming" then you don't let your kids go into the water. From what I remember, Disney makes it pretty clear that the swimming areas are swimming pools and not open water. . I've seen plenty of "Danger: Gators" signs all over Florida. They're not that hard to get. I believe they have a higher duty to warn their customers than simply putting out an innocuous "no swimming" sign. For instance, in my head, "no swimming" is not the same as "stay out of the water". Is walking in the water up to your ankles swimming? Sure seems obvious that the customers didn't think so because I've seen lots of photos today posted of kids playing in the very shallow area of that lake right next to the beach. Also keep in mind that gators make it dangerous to be in the water as well as walking NEAR the water. Kids on that beach who don't go in are still in danger of being attacked. Gators routinely hunt prey that is on land and use the shallow water as cover to hide their approach. How does a generic "no swimming" sign help in that situation? Throw in this article just posted and if its true that Disney knew people were feeding the gators then they are gonna be in massive trouble. Everyone knows that feeding gators is the worst thing you can do and makes them associate humans with feeding time. Why would you think it would be safe to enter water that says "No swimming"? There are plenty of "Do not enter" signs at Disney too. They don't tell you why you shouldn't enter. As I said just a minute ago too, if the gator got him on land then we have something here. I think the reports clearly said that the child wasnt swimming. He was in shallow water at the shoreline, not doing laps in the middle of the lake. Its semantics but a WARNING: GATORS sign would have been more accurate.

Author:	conns7901 [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:31 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Disney
Boilermaker Rick wrote: conns7901 wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: I don't know if you should expect them to list all the reasons why you shouldn't be swimming. Well you don't have to be swimming for a gator to come out of the water and attack. But this kid was in the water. If the gator got him in a walkway then it is a different discussion. So Disney shouldn't of had signs up saying there are gators around?

Author:	shakes [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:32 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: conns7901 wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: I don't know if you should expect them to list all the reasons why you shouldn't be swimming. Well you don't have to be swimming for a gator to come out of the water and attack. But this kid was in the water. If the gator got him in a walkway then it is a different discussion. all accounts I've seen have him at most a foot into the water. Either way, that's irrelevant. Even if the kid was swimming laps in the middle of the lake I would hold Disney at fault for creating a dangerous situation for its customers without proper warning. Having a really nice beach and lake and putting a innocuous "no swimming" sign is, imo, not enough of a warning or deterrent to prevent people from wanting to explore what amounts to an attractive nuisance owned and controlled by Disney. Throw in the potential notice of dangerous alligators in the area and Disney is fucked.

Author:	billypootons [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:33 pm ]
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i see both sides here. How many signs can you put up to warn people? what is proper warning? A sign every 200 feet...? well someone well still claim they didnt see the sign. Disney can only do so much to reasonably protect it's guests from Gators. But I also understand how out of town tourists would have no concept or fear of gators being in the lake... it on the surface just looks like a nice lake.

Author:	TurdFerguson [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:33 pm ]
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I think there is a pretty wide gap between swimming and a toddler being on the edge of a resort lake. Was the kid actually swimming in the lake at 930 at night? Or was he on the edge.

Author:	Brick [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:33 pm ]
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Hank Scorpio wrote: I think the reports clearly said that the child wasnt swimming. He was in shallow water at the shoreline, not doing laps in the middle of the lake. Its semantics but a WARNING: GATORS sign would have been more accurate. It would have been more accurate but I don't think anyone should have thought it was safe to let your kids go in water that says "No swimming".

Author:	shakes [ Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:39 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: Why would you think it would be safe to enter water that says "No swimming"? There are plenty of "Do not enter" signs at Disney too. They don't tell you why you shouldn't enter. As I said just a minute ago too, if the gator got him on land then we have something here. Why would I think it was safe to enter the water that says no swimming? Here let me give you a few reasons.. 1. The lake is next to the pool and I could believe that the signs were posted because Disney didn't want anyone swimming in the lake as opposed to the pool. 2. I differentiate between swimming and wading. 3. I also differentiate between signs that say "no swimming" and "do not enter the lake". There's enough of a semantical argument there that I could argue that clearer signage was necessary given the danger. In all 3 of those scenarios I would argue that it's reasonable to assume you weren't in danger as opposed to simply breaking a cosmetic rule at he park. As for the Do not enter signs... 1. I would agree that a Do not enter sign would be more appropriate for this lake than a no swimming sign. 2. As for other Do not enter signs, I would argue that rarely do have those signs posted because death lurks on the other side.