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Author: | Rod [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:51 am ] |
Post subject: | Astellas (and the corporatization of the Pride Parade) |
I noticed that Astellas was flying a rainbow flag at their headquarters on Willow Road and they had a large float in the parade yesterday. Many other corporations also had floats in the parade. I just find it all very disingenuous. It's really just advertising to a particular demographic and not sincere support for living the way a person wants to live. In the case of Astellas, a friend of mine did good work there for over 20 years before she decided to do some porn in her spare time and was terminated. This had no effect on her work at the company. While it's not exactly the same as being gay, the principle is very similar. It's an employer making a moral judgment on a person's sexual habits. So save me the hypocrisy and your stupid fucking float. |
Author: | IMU [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:52 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Astellas (and the corporatization of the Pride Parade) |
She was way too old to film porn. |
Author: | Rod [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:54 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Astellas (and the corporatization of the Pride Parade) |
IMU wrote: She was way too old to film porn. Let's put it this way, she appeals to certain people with specific interests. |
Author: | IMU [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:55 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Astellas (and the corporatization of the Pride Parade) |
Way to throw Camps under the bus. |
Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Astellas (and the corporatization of the Pride Parade) |
Did she say if the Milfhunter was good in bed? |
Author: | Brick [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:34 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Astellas (and the corporatization of the Pride Parade) |
I don't think the principle is the same at all. If I was filming neo-nazi, white supremacist, or Bernie Sanders videos I'd deserve to be fired by my company too. If I just happened to be a neo-nazi, white supremacist, or Bernie Sanders supporter then it wouldn't really effect my company. |
Author: | Seacrest [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:38 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Astellas (and the corporatization of the Pride Parade) |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: IMU wrote: She was way too old to film porn. Let's put it this way, she appeals to certain people with specific interests. You are missing the lead here. How did they find out about her after hours employment? |
Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:41 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Astellas (and the corporatization of the Pride Parade) |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: If I just happened to be a neo-nazi, white supremacist, or Bernie Sanders supporter then it wouldn't really effect my company. Sure it could. You could easily have issues with co-workers or customers who were a different race.
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Author: | Brick [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:44 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Astellas (and the corporatization of the Pride Parade) |
Frank Coztansa wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: If I just happened to be a neo-nazi, white supremacist, or Bernie Sanders supporter then it wouldn't really effect my company. Sure it could. You could easily have issues with co-workers or customers who were a different race. |
Author: | Kirkwood [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:45 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Astellas (and the corporatization of the Pride Parade) |
Businesses don't care. They hop on whatever they can. It's for us to know they're always full of shit. |
Author: | Rod [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:47 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Astellas (and the corporatization of the Pride Parade) |
Seacrest wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: IMU wrote: She was way too old to film porn. Let's put it this way, she appeals to certain people with specific interests. You are missing the lead here. How did they find out about her after hours employment? That's a helluva a good point and evidence of the hypocrisy. |
Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:48 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Astellas (and the corporatization of the Pride Parade) |
"issues"? Making a porn on the side is not even close to the same thing as being part of a hateful and sometimes violent group like the KKK, Rick. |
Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:56 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Astellas (and the corporatization of the Pride Parade) |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I noticed that Astellas was flying a rainbow flag at their headquarters on Willow Road and they had a large float in the parade yesterday. Many other corporations also had floats in the parade. I just find it all very disingenuous. It's really just advertising to a particular demographic and not sincere support for living the way a person wants to live. In the case of Astellas, a friend of mine did good work there for over 20 years before she decided to do some porn in her spare time and was terminated. This had no effect on her work at the company. While it's not exactly the same as being gay, the principle is very similar. It's an employer making a moral judgment on a person's sexual habits. So save me the hypocrisy and your stupid fucking float. Don't Ask, Don't AsTELLas |
Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:57 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Astellas (and the corporatization of the Pride Parade) |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: I don't think the principle is the same at all. If I was filming neo-nazi, white supremacist, or Bernie Sanders videos I'd deserve to be fired by my company too. If I just happened to be a neo-nazi, white supremacist, or Bernie Sanders supporter then it wouldn't really effect my company. if |
Author: | Seacrest [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:05 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Astellas (and the corporatization of the Pride Parade) |
Kirkwood wrote: Businesses don't care. They hop on whatever they can. It's for us to know they're always full of shit. Correct. |
Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:06 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Astellas (and the corporatization of the Pride Parade) |
I don't think anyone is under the illusion that corporate sponsors of an event are deeply invested in the cause. When Channel 7 sends Cheryl Scott to shake her bony ass on a parade float I don't expect to see her later that day partying with those people. |
Author: | Brick [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:10 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Astellas (and the corporatization of the Pride Parade) |
Frank Coztansa wrote: Making a porn on the side is not even close to the same thing as being part of a hateful and sometimes violent group like the KKK, Rick. The levels of badness are not the issue here. It is whether in your personal life you can do things in the public space and not expect your employer to consider it.The one side basically says "If it doesn't effect your job then your employer has no right to consider it" and the other says that "What you do in public can have consequences". If this person was making neo-nazi videos I think most would expect them to get fired even if they weren't a nazi at work. The same is true for someone making adult movies. |
Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:11 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Astellas (and the corporatization of the Pride Parade) |
Making a porn isn't "bad." It might be frowned upon be certain people, but its not bad. Belonging to a hate group is bad. Anyway, now we know we Joe Orr was against the NSFW section here |
Author: | Rod [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:15 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Astellas (and the corporatization of the Pride Parade) |
Well, on one hand, the fact that these corporations are willing to be associated with the parade at all is a triumph in itself. But on the other hand, it's a little hollow when you know they aren't really walking the walk. I'm sure Astellas doesn't discriminate against gays, but that's largely due to the consequences imposed by government rather than sincere philosophy. Who is going to stand up for a porn star? |
Author: | Brick [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:17 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Astellas (and the corporatization of the Pride Parade) |
Frank Coztansa wrote: Making a porn isn't "bad." It might be frowned upon be certain people, but its not bad. It is subjective. What if you had a kid and the teacher was doing porn on the weekends? Would that be ok? I honestly can't say my thoughts either way on that but I certainly understand if the school decides that is not appropriate. Frank Coztansa wrote: Belonging to a hate group is bad. You don't seem to be wanting to understand. The concept here is that they are in the hate group but it is not affecting their job at all. Would you fire that person?
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Author: | Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:17 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Astellas (and the corporatization of the Pride Parade) |
Seriously? I'm the guy who has to step up and ask? You all disappoint me. Fine. JORR, would you please tell us where we can find your friend on the internet? That would be swell. |
Author: | Rod [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:26 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Astellas (and the corporatization of the Pride Parade) |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: What if you had a kid and the teacher was doing porn on the weekends? Would that be ok? I honestly can't say my thoughts either way on that but I certainly understand if the school decides that is not appropriate. People thought the same things about homosexuals too. There are certain societal mores and taboos against porn (although one of the most popular modern TV stars is famous for nothing but a porno). I guess my position would be that finding out about a porno a teacher made and using that as a reason not to make the hire is different than discovering the movie after she has been doing good work and earned a Golden Apple award and then firing her because of it. You should fire yourself first for a lack of due diligence. And then we come around to Seacrest's question, how did the administration find out about the porno? |
Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Astellas (and the corporatization of the Pride Parade) |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: The concept here is that they are in the hate group but it is not affecting their job at all. That is a wrong concept. If someone belongs to a group that hates a specific race or religion, and then has to work with or for people belonging to that same group, it will affect their job.
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Author: | Gloopan Kuratz [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:43 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Astellas (and the corporatization of the Pride Parade) |
Frank Coztansa wrote: Making a porn isn't "bad." It might be frowned upon be certain people, but its not bad. Belonging to a hate group is bad. Anyway, now we know we Joe Orr was against the NSFW section here Grandma porn is bad. If she was a hot 20 something they'd promote her. |
Author: | Brick [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:47 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Astellas (and the corporatization of the Pride Parade) |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: People thought the same things about homosexuals too. There are certain societal mores and taboos against porn (although one of the most popular modern TV stars is famous for nothing but a porno). You know it isn't the same thing though.Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I guess my position would be that finding out about a porno a teacher made and using that as a reason not to make the hire is different than discovering the movie after she has been doing good work and earned a Golden Apple award and then firing her because of it. You should fire yourself first for a lack of due diligence. And then we come around to Seacrest's question, how did the administration find out about the porno? What if she started after she was hired?
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Author: | Brick [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:48 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Astellas (and the corporatization of the Pride Parade) |
Frank Coztansa wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: The concept here is that they are in the hate group but it is not affecting their job at all. That is a wrong concept. If someone belongs to a group that hates a specific race or religion, and then has to work with or for people belonging to that same group, it will affect their job.So, we are back to the beginning then. |
Author: | Hussra [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:59 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Astellas (and the corporatization of the Pride Parade) |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I In the case of Astellas, a friend of mine did good work there for over 20 years before she decided to do some porn in her spare time and was terminated. "Knock, Knock!" \ "Who's There?" \ "Anita!" \ "Anita who?" \ "Anita Dick inside me!" \ |
Author: | Don Tiny [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:32 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Astellas (and the corporatization of the Pride Parade) |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: IMU wrote: She was way too old to film porn. Let's put it this way, she appeals to certain people with specific interests. |
Author: | FavreFan [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:09 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Astellas (and the corporatization of the Pride Parade) |
Rick, how would acting in a porno adversely affect a teachers ability to teach your kid? I can tell you how being a Nazi would affect it. |
Author: | Brick [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:15 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Astellas (and the corporatization of the Pride Parade) |
FavreFan wrote: Rick, how would acting in a porno adversely affect a teachers ability to teach your kid? I can tell you how being a Nazi would affect it. Once the students knew it would be shared and talked about.How would being a Nazi in your spare time adversely affect a persons ability to do their job? |
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