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Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:52 pm ]
Post subject:  The Electoral College

Stupid, antiquated system that needs to go.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Electoral College

Yup

Author:  ToxicMasculinity [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Electoral College

FavreFan wrote:
Stupid, antiquated system that needs to go.


Move to Ontario already. Jesus. Are you going to whine all week? Should be JulieDiCaroFan

Author:  Spaulding [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Electoral College

It favors the Democrats. I can't figure out how he won some of those states.

Author:  Douchebag [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Electoral College

Spaulding wrote:
It favors the Democrats.

What?

There's been two elections just in this generation that have gone against the popular vote.

Author:  Brick [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Electoral College

The popular vote would be a huge mess this year with how close it is. It would be like 2000 Florida but everywhere.

Also, the popular vote can be misleading. If the goal was to get the most votes the campaigns would not be focusing on getting votes from certain important states.

I'd get rid of it too but the two elections where the President didn't get the most votes may not have changed if we didn't have it.

Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Electoral College

Boilermaker Rick wrote:
The popular vote would be a huge mess this year with how close it is. It would be like 2000 Florida but everywhere.

Also, the popular vote can be misleading. If the goal was to get the most votes the campaigns would not be focusing on getting votes from certain important states.

I'd get rid of it too but the two elections where the President didn't get the most votes may not have changed if we didn't have it.

I'm not saying it would have changed things this election. It's just a bad system. It was just as bad a week ago as it is today.

Author:  Spaulding [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Electoral College

I think they will always get IL, NY, and CA. They pretty much have a guaranteed 104 votes.

Author:  Regular Reader [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Electoral College

Douchebag wrote:
Spaulding wrote:
It favors the Democrats.

What?

There's been two elections just in this generation that have gone against the popular vote.


But those benefited W. & the current boob, so to MANY, they don't count.

Author:  pittmike [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Electoral College

So if you are against the electoral college you are for those small concentrated blue spots on today's map ruling the entire country?

Author:  Regular Reader [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Electoral College

pittmike wrote:
So if you are against the electoral college you are for those small concentrated blue spots on today's map ruling the entire country?


One man, one vote.

Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Electoral College

pittmike wrote:
So if you are against the electoral college you are for those small concentrated blue spots on today's map ruling the entire country?

Like RR said, one man, one vote. What's more democratic than that?

Author:  Chus [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Electoral College

pittmike wrote:
So if you are against the electoral college you are for those small concentrated blue spots on today's map ruling the entire country?


You sound like the guy who, after Romney lost in 2012, made a map of how many square miles each candidate won. As if the trees and cattle count as the electorate.

:lol:

Author:  Spaulding [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Electoral College

Regular Reader wrote:
One man, one vote.


I think this is how it should be. However I think there needs to be a viable 3rd option because both parties are often wrong. There is too much division, special interest, and I don't think most people that are entrenched in their party know what they value or what that party is doing.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Electoral College

FavreFan wrote:
pittmike wrote:
So if you are against the electoral college you are for those small concentrated blue spots on today's map ruling the entire country?

Like RR said, one man, one vote. What's more democratic than that?


No elected officials; population votes on individual legislation. Chaos!

Author:  Douchebag [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Electoral College

Spaulding wrote:
I think they will always get IL, NY, and CA. They pretty much have a guaranteed 104 votes.

What?

The right will always get Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Arizona, Kansas, Nebraska, Utah, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Idaho, South Carolina, Alaska, Arkansas, Wyoming, Lousiana, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Kentucky.

They have a guaranteed 170 votes.

You can do better than this.

Author:  TurdFerguson [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Electoral College

Shouldn't this thread read the Electoral GED as the media is reporting the election was decided by those not going to college.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Electoral College

Douchebag wrote:
Spaulding wrote:
I think they will always get IL, NY, and CA. They pretty much have a guaranteed 104 votes.

What?

The right will always get Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Arizona, Kansas, Nebraska, Utah, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Idaho, South Carolina, Alaska, Arkansas, Wyoming, Lousiana, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Kentucky.

They have a guaranteed 170 votes.

You can do better than this.


Yes, Spaulding, your argument makes no sense. No offense. Those states have more electoral votes because they have higher populations. Did you think they were assigned randomly?

Author:  pittmike [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Electoral College

FavreFan wrote:
pittmike wrote:
So if you are against the electoral college you are for those small concentrated blue spots on today's map ruling the entire country?

Like RR said, one man, one vote. What's more democratic than that?


I don't know? Our constitution is pretty fair and hard to change. I think the present system works to be representative of all. What is next put all the senators in CA, TX and NY rather than two per state?

Author:  leashyourkids [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Electoral College

pittmike wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
pittmike wrote:
So if you are against the electoral college you are for those small concentrated blue spots on today's map ruling the entire country?

Like RR said, one man, one vote. What's more democratic than that?


I don't know? Our constitution is pretty fair and hard to change. I think the present system works to be representative of all. What is next put all the senators in CA, TX and NY rather than two per state?


What? Where do you come up with this shit? He's proposing the opposite of that.

Author:  newper [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Electoral College

leashyourkids wrote:
Yes, Spaulding, your argument makes no sense. No offense. Those states have more electoral votes because they have higher populations. Did you think they were assigned randomly?

Now that would be awesome... they campaign in the states but don't know how many votes each one will count for until the night of the election when Wolf Blitzer draws envelopes out of a box every time they call a race for a candidate. That would liven things up.

Author:  Spaulding [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Electoral College

Douchebag wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:

The right will always get Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Arizona, Kansas, Nebraska, Utah, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Idaho, South Carolina, Alaska, Arkansas, Wyoming, Lousiana, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Kentucky.

They have a guaranteed 170 votes.

You can do better than this.


Yes, Spaulding, your argument makes no sense. No offense. Those states have more electoral votes because they have higher populations. Did you think they were assigned randomly?


The only big one there is TX, then NC & TN. NC, TN, and any of the smaller states could go to the Dems at any time as they aren't really won by wide margins. PA, AZ, MI, WI, should all go democratic. The questionable ones OH and FL are the wild cards but if the Democrats put up a half decent person they'd win it most of the time.

I don't believe they are as guaranteed their 170 as the Democrats are guaranteed their 104.

Author:  Douchebag [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Electoral College

Spaulding wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:

The right will always get Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Arizona, Kansas, Nebraska, Utah, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Idaho, South Carolina, Alaska, Arkansas, Wyoming, Lousiana, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Kentucky.

They have a guaranteed 170 votes.

You can do better than this.


Yes, Spaulding, your argument makes no sense. No offense. Those states have more electoral votes because they have higher populations. Did you think they were assigned randomly?


The only big one there is TX, then NC & TN. NC, TN, and any of the smaller states could go to the Dems at any time as they aren't really won by wide margins. PA, AZ, MI, WI, should all go democratic. The questionable ones OH and FL are the wild cards but if the Democrats put up a half decent person they'd win it most of the time.

I don't believe they are as guaranteed their 170 as the Democrats are guaranteed their 104.

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Author:  Zippy-The-Pinhead [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Electoral College

Regular Reader wrote:
pittmike wrote:
So if you are against the electoral college you are for those small concentrated blue spots on today's map ruling the entire country?


One man, one vote.

What do you think this is, a democracy?
Stupid hippy.

Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Electoral College

pittmike wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
pittmike wrote:
So if you are against the electoral college you are for those small concentrated blue spots on today's map ruling the entire country?

Like RR said, one man, one vote. What's more democratic than that?


I don't know? Our constitution is pretty fair and hard to change. I think the present system works to be representative of all. What is next put all the senators in CA, TX and NY rather than two per state?

This makes no sense Mike.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Electoral College

Spaulding wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:

The right will always get Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Arizona, Kansas, Nebraska, Utah, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Idaho, South Carolina, Alaska, Arkansas, Wyoming, Lousiana, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Kentucky.

They have a guaranteed 170 votes.

You can do better than this.


Yes, Spaulding, your argument makes no sense. No offense. Those states have more electoral votes because they have higher populations. Did you think they were assigned randomly?


The only big one there is TX, then NC & TN. NC, TN, and any of the smaller states could go to the Dems at any time as they aren't really won by wide margins. PA, AZ, MI, WI, should all go democratic. The questionable ones OH and FL are the wild cards but if the Democrats put up a half decent person they'd win it most of the time.

I don't believe they are as guaranteed their 170 as the Democrats are guaranteed their 104.


What are you talking about? None of this is correct or even makes sense.

Author:  TurdFerguson [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Electoral College

leashyourkids wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
Spaulding wrote:
I think they will always get IL, NY, and CA. They pretty much have a guaranteed 104 votes.

What?

The right will always get Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Arizona, Kansas, Nebraska, Utah, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Idaho, South Carolina, Alaska, Arkansas, Wyoming, Lousiana, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Kentucky.

They have a guaranteed 170 votes.

You can do better than this.


Yes, Spaulding, your argument makes no sense. No offense. Those states have more electoral votes because they have higher populations. Did you think they were assigned randomly?


Bill carried quite a few of those states however.

Georgia(clinton), Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Arizona, Kansas, Nebraska, Utah, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana(clinton), Idaho, South Carolina, Alaska, Arkansas(clinton *2), Wyoming, Lousiana(clinton *2), Tennessee(clinton *2), Oklahoma, Kentucky (clinton *2)

You can add a few more auto Dem states with Washington(12),Oregan(7),MN(10), Mass(11),RI(4), CT(7), NJ(14), DE(3) MD(10), DC(3) and VA (13) You have to go back to Reagan before any of those states flip.

Shame on her for losing WI(10) , MI(16), and PA(20). First time those flipped since Reagan.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Electoral College

TurdFerguson wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
Spaulding wrote:
I think they will always get IL, NY, and CA. They pretty much have a guaranteed 104 votes.

What?

The right will always get Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Arizona, Kansas, Nebraska, Utah, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Idaho, South Carolina, Alaska, Arkansas, Wyoming, Lousiana, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Kentucky.

They have a guaranteed 170 votes.

You can do better than this.


Yes, Spaulding, your argument makes no sense. No offense. Those states have more electoral votes because they have higher populations. Did you think they were assigned randomly?


Bill carried quite a few of those states however.

Georgia(clinton), Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Arizona, Kansas, Nebraska, Utah, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana(clinton), Idaho, South Carolina, Alaska, Arkansas(clinton *2), Wyoming, Lousiana(clinton *2), Tennessee(clinton *2), Oklahoma, Kentucky (clinton *2)

You can add a few more auto Dem states with Washington(12),Oregan(7),MN(10), Mass(11),RI(4), CT(7), NJ(14), DE(3) MD(10), DC(3) and VA (13) You have to go back to Reagan before any of those states flip.

Shame on her for losing WI(10) , MI(16), and PA(20). First time those flipped since Reagan.


That's not the point, though. There is no inherent advantage for a Democrat simply because more heavily populated states carry more electoral votes. If it was one man, one vote, that same philosophy would hold true - California would account for way more votes than North Dakota.

Author:  Spaulding [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Electoral College

Douchebag wrote:
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I really believe if they had anybody but Hillary they'd easily have gotten MI, WI, AZ, PA and that would have been enough. There's no way he should have won.

Author:  pittmike [ Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Electoral College

My point is it isn't necessarily good that what is favored in CA is more important than ND. The system was set up like this for a reason.

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