It is currently Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:43 pm

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 32 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Toni Preckwinkle
PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:25 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:36 pm
Posts: 19386
Hooray for money going to Will County and Indiana!!!



Cook County Board President Toni Preckwinkle personally ensured her controversial new penny-an-ounce pop tax passed Thursday by breaking a rare tie vote among commissioners.

The two-term board president stepped further into the glare of a spotlight because she's counting on the $224 million a year the beverage tax is expected to bring in to balance the books for a while.

"Raising revenue was never my first choice," Preckwinkle said. "This measure provides important revenue, not only to avoid damaging cuts for public health and public safety systems, but also to expand our community-based interventions in both arenas. It also puts us on a stable financial footing for the next three fiscal years, during which we will not have to approve any additional tax increases."

Asked after the vote why the county could not make further spending cuts, Preckwinkle defended her six-year record, saying she had reduced the workforce by 10 percent and overall debt by a slightly greater percentage.

Preckwinkle also pointed to 300 layoffs included in next year's $4.9 billion budget proposal that's scheduled for a vote Tuesday. "We've tried very hard to be as efficient and effective as we possibly can in our budgeting process," she said.

Along with the new beverage tax, the county also passed an ordinance barring further sales tax increases, or property tax increases beyond the rate of inflation, before 2020 — a measure proposed by Commissioner John Fritchey, D-Chicago, who voted against the beverage tax. That has the political advantage of pushing off further major tax increases until after the 2018 elections, when Preckwinkle's office and those of all 17 commissioners are on the ballot.
Cook County beverage tax

As the Cook County Board voted Thursday, Nov. 10, 2016 on a penny-an-ounce tax on sweetened beverages, the chambers were crowded with anti- and pro-tax supporters. (Nancy Stone / Chicago Tribune)

The new tax on sugary and artificially sweetened beverages goes into effect July 1. Cook County, with its 5.2 million residents, will become the largest locale in the nation to put in place a pop tax. Philadelphia approved a tax earlier this year, and voters in Oakland, Calif., San Francisco and Denver on Tuesday approved referendums to enact such a tax.

In all those places, TV viewers and radio listeners were bombarded with ads against the tax financed largely by the American Beverage Association and spots supporting it bankrolled by former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a longtime advocate of reduced sugar consumption.

The tax will apply to all sugar and artificially sweetened drinks, including pop, sports drinks, lemonade and iced tea, adding 72 cents to the cost of a six-pack of soda or 68 cents for a 2-liter bottle. The tax also will be imposed on fountain drinks at a penny an ounce, bringing the tax on a 7-Eleven Gulp to 32 cents and on a Double Gulp to 50 cents. It won't apply to drinks bought with a Link card issued to families in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program because additional consumer taxes can't be added under the federal program.
Photos: A tax on sugary drinks

A Cook County Board soda tax is adding to the cost of sugary drinks and store owners don't like it.

It's the latest tax increase Preckwinkle pushed through a divided County Board. Last year, Preckwinkle won approval of a 1-percentage-point sales tax increase. The moves further erode Preckwinkle's onetime reputation as a tax-lowering, cost-cutting leader of county government.

She was initially elected in 2010 on a pledge to eliminate the remaining portion of the sales tax increase enacted under her one-term predecessor, Todd Stroger. Now, in the past 16 months, she's restored the Stroger tax, slapped a new tax on sweetened beverages and approved a new 1 percent tax on hotel stays.

The pop tax vote came after nearly three hours of public testimony, with retailers saying it will harm their bottom lines and health advocates saying it would help reduce rates of diabetes, obesity, heart disease and tooth decay.

Representatives from the beverage industry said it was a regressive tax that would hit low-income people hardest and worsen already declining sales of products that create many well-paying union jobs in the Chicago region.

Tanya Triche of the Illinois Retail Merchants Association suggested a legal challenge could be coming on the basis of double taxation, given that sales taxes already are applied to beverage purchases.

"This is a tax on a tax, what is being imposed today," Triche said. "We don't even think that's lawful to do in the state of Illinois."

The beverage tax would apply throughout the county, including Chicago, where there's already a 3 percent tax on retail sales of soft drinks in cans or bottles and a 9 percent tax on the wholesale price of fountain drink syrup.

Commissioner Jesus "Chuy" Garcia, D-Chicago, chafed at suggestions from some opponents that the tax was needed because of county mismanagement, noting that under Preckwinkle the county had increased the sales tax to shore up a long underfunded worker pension system and significantly reduced the size of the jail population.

"The revenue measure that we're considering today is endorsed by groups like the Civic Federation, certainly not a liberal or a progressive think tank," said Garcia, who argued it was the best option to keep the county in the black financially without harming services.

And Commissioner Deborah Sims, D-Chicago, characterized it as "a choice tax. They can choose not to buy the beverage, or they can choose to buy it."

Countering those arguments was Commissioner Timothy Schneider, R-Bartlett, whose northwest suburban district borders DuPage and Lake counties. Businesses just over the border in those counties are thriving, he said, with "signs that are prominently displayed all over the place: 'No Cook County taxes.'"

"When will they learn that people have choices and they're choosing to leave?" Schneider asked before voting against the tax. "I'm proud to be considered 'Commissioner No.'"

Voting for the tax were Luis Arroyo Jr., D-Chicago; Jerry "Iceman" Butler, D-Chicago; John Daley, D-Chicago; Garcia; Edward Moody, D-Chicago Ridge; Stanley Moore, D-Chicago; Sims; and Larry Suffredin, D-Chicago.

Voting against the tax were Richard Boykin, D-Oak Park; John Fritchey, D-Chicago; Bridget Gainer, D-Chicago; Gregg Goslin, R-Glenview; Sean Morrison, R-Palos Park; Schneider; Peter Silvestri, R-Elmwood Park; and Jeffrey Tobolski, D-McCook.

Absent was Commissioner Robert Steele, D-Chicago, a Preckwinkle ally who was hospitalized earlier in the week.

_________________
Frank Coztansa wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Not over yet.
Yes it is.


CDOM wrote:
When this is all over, which is not going to be for a while, Trump will be re-elected President.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Toni Preckwinkle
PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:34 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:15 am
Posts: 27591
pizza_Place: nick n vito's
So you think fatties will move to Indiana and Will county to avoid this penny per ounce tax on soda pop?

_________________
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Toni Preckwinkle
PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:38 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:43 pm
Posts: 20537
pizza_Place: Joes Pizza
I could drive 10 minutes and buy pop in Lake County.

Though, too lazy so I'll just stop drinking pop.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Toni Preckwinkle
PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:41 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:15 am
Posts: 27591
pizza_Place: nick n vito's
Pop is fucking horrible for you, I have no problem with taxing that poison, Booze, Cigs are taxed..why not pass it on to the rest of you fuckers.

_________________
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Toni Preckwinkle
PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:58 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:17 pm
Posts: 102657
pizza_Place: Vito & Nick's
312player wrote:
Pop is fucking horrible for you, I have no problem with taxing that poison, Booze, Cigs are taxed..why not pass it on to the rest of you fuckers.
Preckwinkle should impose a $400 tax on you for each dumb post you make. The county would make millions in no time.

_________________
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
It's more fun to be a victim
Caller Bob wrote:
There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Toni Preckwinkle
PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:05 am 
Offline
1000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 13, 2005 4:47 pm
Posts: 28634
Location: computer
pizza_Place: Salerno's
It is horrible for you. Aside from having it with fast food, I really don't drink it anymore.

_________________
@audioidkid
spaulding wrote:
Also if you fuck someone like they are a millionaire they might go try to be one.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Toni Preckwinkle
PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:08 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 92106
Location: To the left of my post
Anyone who drives to Indiana or Will County to buy sugar water needs to reflect on what they are doing with their lives.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Toni Preckwinkle
PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:20 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:10 pm
Posts: 32067
pizza_Place: Milano's
so is this gonna be one of those things where they project getting 200 million worth of the revenue from the tax but only end up getting 7% of that figure because no one buys any of it or goes somewhere else to buy it ?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Toni Preckwinkle
PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:21 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:10 pm
Posts: 32067
pizza_Place: Milano's
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Anyone who drives to Indiana or Will County to buy sugar water needs to reflect on what they are doing with their lives.


soda shaming


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Toni Preckwinkle
PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:27 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:43 pm
Posts: 20537
pizza_Place: Joes Pizza
Bagels wrote:
so is this gonna be one of those things where they project getting 200 million worth of the revenue from the tax but only end up getting 7% of that figure because no one buys any of it or goes somewhere else to buy it ?

yes.

Quote:
The plan approved by the Cook County Board will add 68 cents to a 2-liter bottle and 72 cents to a six-pack of sweetened beverages.

that's a huge increase.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Toni Preckwinkle
PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:03 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 82260
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Anyone who drives to Indiana or Will County to buy sugar water needs to reflect on what they are doing with their lives.


driving to Indiana to visit the Industrial Strip, the sugar water is just an ancillary benefit

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Toni Preckwinkle
PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:44 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:28 am
Posts: 23861
Location: Boofoo Zoo
pizza_Place: Chuck E Cheese
Thankfully I work five minutes from the Indiana border so it won't be a problem. Just got one of those Monster sodas that has 74 g of sugar today. It's like drinking straight Hawaiian ice syrup.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Toni Preckwinkle
PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:48 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:03 pm
Posts: 43583
conns7901 wrote:
Hooray for money going to Will County and Indiana!!!

This tax is stupid, but anyone who drives to Indiana for soda is just retarded.

_________________
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Toni Preckwinkle
PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:34 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:29 pm
Posts: 34795
pizza_Place: Al's Pizza
Douchebag wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Hooray for money going to Will County and Indiana!!!

This tax is stupid, but anyone who drives to Indiana for soda is just retarded.


I'll go to 3 Floyd's, while the rest of you jerks buy Dr. Pepper.

_________________
Good people drink good beer - Hunter S. Thompson

<º)))><

Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Toni Preckwinkle
PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:07 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:29 am
Posts: 65799
Location: Darkside Estates
pizza_Place: A cat got an online degree.
Not about health.

_________________
"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014
bigfan wrote:
Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Toni Preckwinkle
PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:24 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 06, 2016 10:39 am
Posts: 1493
pizza_Place: Aurelio's
I would expect some entrepreneur from outside the county would start driving around the city and the suburbs with a beverage truck.

It's not just soda. It's also orange juice and any drink with artificial flavors including diet drinks.

What really sickens me is that Bloomberg funded this project. Why should he be meddling in Chicago politics with support for a beverage tax?

I would expect that some people will change their buying habits in Cook County, but that people will find places outside of the county don't have the tax to buy drinks.

_________________
God is the uncaused cause of the universe. He had no beginning and has no end. He is not bound by the laws of the universe he created.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Toni Preckwinkle
PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:27 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 92106
Location: To the left of my post
Drake LaRrieta wrote:
I would expect some entrepreneur from outside the county would start driving around the city and the suburbs with a beverage truck.
This person would go to jail.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Toni Preckwinkle
PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:14 pm 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:17 pm
Posts: 102657
pizza_Place: Vito & Nick's
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Drake LaRrieta wrote:
I would expect some entrepreneur from outside the county would start driving around the city and the suburbs with a beverage truck.
This person would go to jail.
No way, this is a great idea! I am going to use all of the money I get from GOLD PROSPECTING IN ALASKA to buy my NO TAX POP TRUCK.

_________________
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
It's more fun to be a victim
Caller Bob wrote:
There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Toni Preckwinkle
PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 3:18 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:50 pm
Posts: 6721
pizza_Place: Parts Unknown
Won't someone think of Julie DiCaro

_________________
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Have a terrible night and die in MANY fires.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Toni Preckwinkle
PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:59 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:18 pm
Posts: 19488
pizza_Place: Phils' on 35th all you need to know
Kirkwood wrote:
Bagels wrote:
so is this gonna be one of those things where they project getting 200 million worth of the revenue from the tax but only end up getting 7% of that figure because no one buys any of it or goes somewhere else to buy it ?

yes.

Quote:
The plan approved by the Cook County Board will add 68 cents to a 2-liter bottle and 72 cents to a six-pack of sweetened beverages.

that's a huge increase.


think about it before the tax a 2 liter of RC was .99 now it is almost doubled.
Just remember you dumb fucks voted for her and her board.

_________________
When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Toni Preckwinkle
PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:11 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:52 pm
Posts: 12559
Location: Ex-Naperville, Ex-Homewood, Now Tinley Park
pizza_Place: Oh I'm sorry but, there's no one on the line
I will be importing my soda. I conveniently work in a different county without such a ridiculous tax, so I don't mind shopping there on my way back from work.

_________________
"All crowds boycotting football games shouldn't care who sings or takes a knee because they aren't watching." - Nas


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Toni Preckwinkle
PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:37 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:10 pm
Posts: 32067
pizza_Place: Milano's
newper wrote:
I will be importing my soda. I conveniently work in a different county without such a ridiculous tax, so I don't mind shopping there on my way back from work.



Yea you show em
I do think it will be interesting to see if consumption goes down , I can't honestly believe people are addicted to pop and just suck it up and pay it


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Toni Preckwinkle
PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:56 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:52 pm
Posts: 12559
Location: Ex-Naperville, Ex-Homewood, Now Tinley Park
pizza_Place: Oh I'm sorry but, there's no one on the line
Bagels wrote:
newper wrote:
I will be importing my soda. I conveniently work in a different county without such a ridiculous tax, so I don't mind shopping there on my way back from work.



Yea you show em
I do think it will be interesting to see if consumption goes down , I can't honestly believe people are addicted to pop and just suck it up and pay it

I'm actually serious here... a $1.25 2 liter is going up to $2? I can just grab a bunch of them at work and not worry about it for a while... I usually stop once every week or so anyway to pick up other food so why not.

_________________
"All crowds boycotting football games shouldn't care who sings or takes a knee because they aren't watching." - Nas


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Toni Preckwinkle
PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 8:30 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:46 pm
Posts: 10111
pizza_Place: Q's Hillside
Bagels wrote:
newper wrote:
I will be importing my soda. I conveniently work in a different county without such a ridiculous tax, so I don't mind shopping there on my way back from work.



Yea you show em
I do think it will be interesting to see if consumption goes down , I can't honestly believe people are addicted to pop and just suck it up and pay it

My consumption has been slowly going down over the last five years anyway, but I can still easily put away a 52 oz Coke Zero from Speedway if I have a free coupon.

Because of the tax, I'll just shift when I drink it on days when I commute into Cook County for work.

_________________
"When people want their version of the truth, they go find it, no matter how baseless their beliefs." -- Ken Rosenthal


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Toni Preckwinkle
PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:02 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 06, 2016 10:39 am
Posts: 1493
pizza_Place: Aurelio's
People should get together and have no buy beverage day. Government people hate pressure from retailers and consumers. All's it takes is a couple Wal-Mart's telling the city they are moving because of the beverage tax.

_________________
God is the uncaused cause of the universe. He had no beginning and has no end. He is not bound by the laws of the universe he created.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Toni Preckwinkle
PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:27 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:10 pm
Posts: 32067
pizza_Place: Milano's
Drake LaRrieta wrote:
People should get together and have no buy beverage day. Government people hate pressure from retailers and consumers. All's it takes is a couple Wal-Mart's telling the city they are moving because of the beverage tax.



:lol: pop drinkers aren't organizing some kind of boycott and Wal Mart isnt going anywhere


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Toni Preckwinkle
PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:10 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 06, 2016 10:39 am
Posts: 1493
pizza_Place: Aurelio's
Bagels wrote:
Drake LaRrieta wrote:
People should get together and have no buy beverage day. Government people hate pressure from retailers and consumers. All's it takes is a couple Wal-Mart's telling the city they are moving because of the beverage tax.



:lol: pop drinkers aren't organizing some kind of boycott and Wal Mart isnt going anywhere


That's the misnomer. It's not just pop. It includes any form of juice and any drink with artificial sweetener. An extra 59 cents for orange juice at every grocery store including Aldi. It also includes drinks like Gatorade.

_________________
God is the uncaused cause of the universe. He had no beginning and has no end. He is not bound by the laws of the universe he created.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Toni Preckwinkle
PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:11 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:10 pm
Posts: 32067
pizza_Place: Milano's
Orange juice is basically Coke with vitamin C


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Toni Preckwinkle
PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:19 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 19, 2006 2:47 pm
Posts: 13380
Location: The far western part of south east North Dakota
pizza_Place: Boboli
So you'll pay more for sweetened ice tea. What about unsweetened where you add your own sugar? (Loophole!)

_________________
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I smell a bit....


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Toni Preckwinkle
PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:12 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:18 pm
Posts: 19488
pizza_Place: Phils' on 35th all you need to know
Um you won't be able to run to Will county if the Budget the State is putting through passes. Mike M and crew are going to put their own sugary drink on plus up the income tax to 4.3%. Have fun suckers. No Income tax down here.

_________________
When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 32 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 14 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group