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| Author: | conns7901 [ Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Toni Preckwinkle |
Hooray for money going to Will County and Indiana!!! Cook County Board President Toni Preckwinkle personally ensured her controversial new penny-an-ounce pop tax passed Thursday by breaking a rare tie vote among commissioners. The two-term board president stepped further into the glare of a spotlight because she's counting on the $224 million a year the beverage tax is expected to bring in to balance the books for a while. "Raising revenue was never my first choice," Preckwinkle said. "This measure provides important revenue, not only to avoid damaging cuts for public health and public safety systems, but also to expand our community-based interventions in both arenas. It also puts us on a stable financial footing for the next three fiscal years, during which we will not have to approve any additional tax increases." Asked after the vote why the county could not make further spending cuts, Preckwinkle defended her six-year record, saying she had reduced the workforce by 10 percent and overall debt by a slightly greater percentage. Preckwinkle also pointed to 300 layoffs included in next year's $4.9 billion budget proposal that's scheduled for a vote Tuesday. "We've tried very hard to be as efficient and effective as we possibly can in our budgeting process," she said. Along with the new beverage tax, the county also passed an ordinance barring further sales tax increases, or property tax increases beyond the rate of inflation, before 2020 — a measure proposed by Commissioner John Fritchey, D-Chicago, who voted against the beverage tax. That has the political advantage of pushing off further major tax increases until after the 2018 elections, when Preckwinkle's office and those of all 17 commissioners are on the ballot. Cook County beverage tax As the Cook County Board voted Thursday, Nov. 10, 2016 on a penny-an-ounce tax on sweetened beverages, the chambers were crowded with anti- and pro-tax supporters. (Nancy Stone / Chicago Tribune) The new tax on sugary and artificially sweetened beverages goes into effect July 1. Cook County, with its 5.2 million residents, will become the largest locale in the nation to put in place a pop tax. Philadelphia approved a tax earlier this year, and voters in Oakland, Calif., San Francisco and Denver on Tuesday approved referendums to enact such a tax. In all those places, TV viewers and radio listeners were bombarded with ads against the tax financed largely by the American Beverage Association and spots supporting it bankrolled by former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a longtime advocate of reduced sugar consumption. The tax will apply to all sugar and artificially sweetened drinks, including pop, sports drinks, lemonade and iced tea, adding 72 cents to the cost of a six-pack of soda or 68 cents for a 2-liter bottle. The tax also will be imposed on fountain drinks at a penny an ounce, bringing the tax on a 7-Eleven Gulp to 32 cents and on a Double Gulp to 50 cents. It won't apply to drinks bought with a Link card issued to families in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program because additional consumer taxes can't be added under the federal program. Photos: A tax on sugary drinks A Cook County Board soda tax is adding to the cost of sugary drinks and store owners don't like it. It's the latest tax increase Preckwinkle pushed through a divided County Board. Last year, Preckwinkle won approval of a 1-percentage-point sales tax increase. The moves further erode Preckwinkle's onetime reputation as a tax-lowering, cost-cutting leader of county government. She was initially elected in 2010 on a pledge to eliminate the remaining portion of the sales tax increase enacted under her one-term predecessor, Todd Stroger. Now, in the past 16 months, she's restored the Stroger tax, slapped a new tax on sweetened beverages and approved a new 1 percent tax on hotel stays. The pop tax vote came after nearly three hours of public testimony, with retailers saying it will harm their bottom lines and health advocates saying it would help reduce rates of diabetes, obesity, heart disease and tooth decay. Representatives from the beverage industry said it was a regressive tax that would hit low-income people hardest and worsen already declining sales of products that create many well-paying union jobs in the Chicago region. Tanya Triche of the Illinois Retail Merchants Association suggested a legal challenge could be coming on the basis of double taxation, given that sales taxes already are applied to beverage purchases. "This is a tax on a tax, what is being imposed today," Triche said. "We don't even think that's lawful to do in the state of Illinois." The beverage tax would apply throughout the county, including Chicago, where there's already a 3 percent tax on retail sales of soft drinks in cans or bottles and a 9 percent tax on the wholesale price of fountain drink syrup. Commissioner Jesus "Chuy" Garcia, D-Chicago, chafed at suggestions from some opponents that the tax was needed because of county mismanagement, noting that under Preckwinkle the county had increased the sales tax to shore up a long underfunded worker pension system and significantly reduced the size of the jail population. "The revenue measure that we're considering today is endorsed by groups like the Civic Federation, certainly not a liberal or a progressive think tank," said Garcia, who argued it was the best option to keep the county in the black financially without harming services. And Commissioner Deborah Sims, D-Chicago, characterized it as "a choice tax. They can choose not to buy the beverage, or they can choose to buy it." Countering those arguments was Commissioner Timothy Schneider, R-Bartlett, whose northwest suburban district borders DuPage and Lake counties. Businesses just over the border in those counties are thriving, he said, with "signs that are prominently displayed all over the place: 'No Cook County taxes.'" "When will they learn that people have choices and they're choosing to leave?" Schneider asked before voting against the tax. "I'm proud to be considered 'Commissioner No.'" Voting for the tax were Luis Arroyo Jr., D-Chicago; Jerry "Iceman" Butler, D-Chicago; John Daley, D-Chicago; Garcia; Edward Moody, D-Chicago Ridge; Stanley Moore, D-Chicago; Sims; and Larry Suffredin, D-Chicago. Voting against the tax were Richard Boykin, D-Oak Park; John Fritchey, D-Chicago; Bridget Gainer, D-Chicago; Gregg Goslin, R-Glenview; Sean Morrison, R-Palos Park; Schneider; Peter Silvestri, R-Elmwood Park; and Jeffrey Tobolski, D-McCook. Absent was Commissioner Robert Steele, D-Chicago, a Preckwinkle ally who was hospitalized earlier in the week. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Toni Preckwinkle |
So you think fatties will move to Indiana and Will county to avoid this penny per ounce tax on soda pop? |
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Toni Preckwinkle |
I could drive 10 minutes and buy pop in Lake County. Though, too lazy so I'll just stop drinking pop. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Toni Preckwinkle |
Pop is fucking horrible for you, I have no problem with taxing that poison, Booze, Cigs are taxed..why not pass it on to the rest of you fuckers. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Toni Preckwinkle |
312player wrote: Pop is fucking horrible for you, I have no problem with taxing that poison, Booze, Cigs are taxed..why not pass it on to the rest of you fuckers. Preckwinkle should impose a $400 tax on you for each dumb post you make. The county would make millions in no time.
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| Author: | doug - evergreen park [ Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Toni Preckwinkle |
It is horrible for you. Aside from having it with fast food, I really don't drink it anymore. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Toni Preckwinkle |
Anyone who drives to Indiana or Will County to buy sugar water needs to reflect on what they are doing with their lives. |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Toni Preckwinkle |
so is this gonna be one of those things where they project getting 200 million worth of the revenue from the tax but only end up getting 7% of that figure because no one buys any of it or goes somewhere else to buy it ? |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Toni Preckwinkle |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: Anyone who drives to Indiana or Will County to buy sugar water needs to reflect on what they are doing with their lives. soda shaming |
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Toni Preckwinkle |
Bagels wrote: so is this gonna be one of those things where they project getting 200 million worth of the revenue from the tax but only end up getting 7% of that figure because no one buys any of it or goes somewhere else to buy it ? yes. Quote: The plan approved by the Cook County Board will add 68 cents to a 2-liter bottle and 72 cents to a six-pack of sweetened beverages. that's a huge increase. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Toni Preckwinkle |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: Anyone who drives to Indiana or Will County to buy sugar water needs to reflect on what they are doing with their lives. driving to Indiana to visit the Industrial Strip, the sugar water is just an ancillary benefit |
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| Author: | KDdidit [ Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Toni Preckwinkle |
Thankfully I work five minutes from the Indiana border so it won't be a problem. Just got one of those Monster sodas that has 74 g of sugar today. It's like drinking straight Hawaiian ice syrup. |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Toni Preckwinkle |
conns7901 wrote: Hooray for money going to Will County and Indiana!!! This tax is stupid, but anyone who drives to Indiana for soda is just retarded. |
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| Author: | Chus [ Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Toni Preckwinkle |
Douchebag wrote: conns7901 wrote: Hooray for money going to Will County and Indiana!!! This tax is stupid, but anyone who drives to Indiana for soda is just retarded. I'll go to 3 Floyd's, while the rest of you jerks buy Dr. Pepper. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Toni Preckwinkle |
Not about health. |
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| Author: | Drake LaRrieta [ Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Toni Preckwinkle |
I would expect some entrepreneur from outside the county would start driving around the city and the suburbs with a beverage truck. It's not just soda. It's also orange juice and any drink with artificial flavors including diet drinks. What really sickens me is that Bloomberg funded this project. Why should he be meddling in Chicago politics with support for a beverage tax? I would expect that some people will change their buying habits in Cook County, but that people will find places outside of the county don't have the tax to buy drinks. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Toni Preckwinkle |
Drake LaRrieta wrote: I would expect some entrepreneur from outside the county would start driving around the city and the suburbs with a beverage truck. This person would go to jail.
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Toni Preckwinkle |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: Drake LaRrieta wrote: I would expect some entrepreneur from outside the county would start driving around the city and the suburbs with a beverage truck. This person would go to jail. |
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| Author: | ToxicMasculinity [ Fri Nov 11, 2016 3:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Toni Preckwinkle |
Won't someone think of Julie DiCaro |
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| Author: | chaspoppcap [ Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Toni Preckwinkle |
Kirkwood wrote: Bagels wrote: so is this gonna be one of those things where they project getting 200 million worth of the revenue from the tax but only end up getting 7% of that figure because no one buys any of it or goes somewhere else to buy it ? yes. Quote: The plan approved by the Cook County Board will add 68 cents to a 2-liter bottle and 72 cents to a six-pack of sweetened beverages. that's a huge increase. think about it before the tax a 2 liter of RC was .99 now it is almost doubled. Just remember you dumb fucks voted for her and her board. |
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| Author: | newper [ Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Toni Preckwinkle |
I will be importing my soda. I conveniently work in a different county without such a ridiculous tax, so I don't mind shopping there on my way back from work. |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Toni Preckwinkle |
newper wrote: I will be importing my soda. I conveniently work in a different county without such a ridiculous tax, so I don't mind shopping there on my way back from work. Yea you show em I do think it will be interesting to see if consumption goes down , I can't honestly believe people are addicted to pop and just suck it up and pay it |
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| Author: | newper [ Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Toni Preckwinkle |
Bagels wrote: newper wrote: I will be importing my soda. I conveniently work in a different county without such a ridiculous tax, so I don't mind shopping there on my way back from work. Yea you show em I do think it will be interesting to see if consumption goes down , I can't honestly believe people are addicted to pop and just suck it up and pay it I'm actually serious here... a $1.25 2 liter is going up to $2? I can just grab a bunch of them at work and not worry about it for a while... I usually stop once every week or so anyway to pick up other food so why not. |
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| Author: | Chet Coppock's Fur Coat [ Sat Nov 12, 2016 8:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Toni Preckwinkle |
Bagels wrote: newper wrote: I will be importing my soda. I conveniently work in a different county without such a ridiculous tax, so I don't mind shopping there on my way back from work. Yea you show em I do think it will be interesting to see if consumption goes down , I can't honestly believe people are addicted to pop and just suck it up and pay it My consumption has been slowly going down over the last five years anyway, but I can still easily put away a 52 oz Coke Zero from Speedway if I have a free coupon. Because of the tax, I'll just shift when I drink it on days when I commute into Cook County for work. |
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| Author: | Drake LaRrieta [ Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Toni Preckwinkle |
People should get together and have no buy beverage day. Government people hate pressure from retailers and consumers. All's it takes is a couple Wal-Mart's telling the city they are moving because of the beverage tax. |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Toni Preckwinkle |
Drake LaRrieta wrote: People should get together and have no buy beverage day. Government people hate pressure from retailers and consumers. All's it takes is a couple Wal-Mart's telling the city they are moving because of the beverage tax.  pop drinkers aren't organizing some kind of boycott and Wal Mart isnt going anywhere
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| Author: | Drake LaRrieta [ Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Toni Preckwinkle |
Bagels wrote: Drake LaRrieta wrote: People should get together and have no buy beverage day. Government people hate pressure from retailers and consumers. All's it takes is a couple Wal-Mart's telling the city they are moving because of the beverage tax. pop drinkers aren't organizing some kind of boycott and Wal Mart isnt going anywhereThat's the misnomer. It's not just pop. It includes any form of juice and any drink with artificial sweetener. An extra 59 cents for orange juice at every grocery store including Aldi. It also includes drinks like Gatorade. |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Toni Preckwinkle |
Orange juice is basically Coke with vitamin C |
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| Author: | Killer V [ Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Toni Preckwinkle |
So you'll pay more for sweetened ice tea. What about unsweetened where you add your own sugar? (Loophole!) |
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| Author: | chaspoppcap [ Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Toni Preckwinkle |
Um you won't be able to run to Will county if the Budget the State is putting through passes. Mike M and crew are going to put their own sugary drink on plus up the income tax to 4.3%. Have fun suckers. No Income tax down here. |
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