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Author:  Rod [ Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:12 pm ]
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And not for their shitty basketball team and taxpayer funded stadium this time.

They banned the ever dangerous Ben Shapiro from speaking on campus. How's that for diversity? They should be ashamed to call themselves a university.

Author:  Curious Hair [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:03 am ]
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I have no problem with banning speeches from men whose balls haven't dropped.

Author:  formerlyknownas [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:06 am ]
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they didn't let Milo Yiannopoulos speak.....or shouted him down....no big loss, but it looks foolish. DePaul is extremely PC.

Author:  Curious Hair [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:10 am ]
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In all seriousness, banning Ben Shapiro is a little much. He's not actively harmful, he's just, like all the so-called Never-Trumpers, a prissy little dork with fewer principles than a Cambodian hooker. Let people see him if only to make fun of him.

Milo Yabbadabbadoo isn't worth the headache.

Author:  ToxicMasculinity [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:47 am ]
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formerlyknownas wrote:
they didn't let Milo Yiannopoulos speak.....or shouted him down....no big loss, but it looks foolish. DePaul is extremely PC.


Do you have anymore examples? I have a jackass friend who loves to tell me DePaul isn't a cry baby campus "like Loyola" in his words. Other than Milo I haven't been able to illustrate that both are the same.

PS. Yes he is a douche but this comes down to school pride.

Author:  Rod [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:27 am ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
In all seriousness, banning Ben Shapiro is a little much. He's not actively harmful, he's just, like all the so-called Never-Trumpers, a prissy little dork with fewer principles than a Cambodian hooker. Let people see him if only to make fun of him.

Milo Yabbadabbadoo isn't worth the headache.


I think you're way off in questioning Shapiro's principles.

My politics aren't in line with Shapiro's, and he's a whiny little bastard, but there's no legitimate reason to ban him from a campus other than pure anti-intellectualism/censorship. And whatever you want to say about Shapiro, I've never heard him make an illogical argument and he's a man of conviction who quit Breitbart rather than take up its editorial stance in supporting Trump.

Milo is a flamethrower, an entertainer, a totally different animal.

Author:  SomeGuy [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:26 am ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
In all seriousness, banning Ben Shapiro is a little much. He's not actively harmful, he's just, like all the so-called Never-Trumpers, a prissy little dork with fewer principles than a Cambodian hooker. Let people see him if only to make fun of him.

Milo Yabbadabbadoo isn't worth the headache.


Milo is awesome. Take your saftey pin off and have a listen sometime!

Author:  good dolphin [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:53 am ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
In all seriousness, banning Ben Shapiro is a little much. He's not actively harmful, he's just, like all the so-called Never-Trumpers, a prissy little dork with fewer principles than a Cambodian hooker. Let people see him if only to make fun of him.

Milo Yabbadabbadoo isn't worth the headache.


I think you're way off in questioning Shapiro's principles.

My politics aren't in line with Shapiro's, and he's a whiny little bastard, but there's no legitimate reason to ban him from a campus other than pure anti-intellectualism/censorship. And whatever you want to say about Shapiro, I've never heard him make an illogical argument and he's a man of conviction who quit Breitbart rather than take up its editorial stance in supporting Trump.

Milo is a flamethrower, an entertainer, a totally different animal.


He's a man of conviction but with questionable principles?

Author:  Rod [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:41 am ]
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good dolphin wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
In all seriousness, banning Ben Shapiro is a little much. He's not actively harmful, he's just, like all the so-called Never-Trumpers, a prissy little dork with fewer principles than a Cambodian hooker. Let people see him if only to make fun of him.

Milo Yabbadabbadoo isn't worth the headache.


I think you're way off in questioning Shapiro's principles.

My politics aren't in line with Shapiro's, and he's a whiny little bastard, but there's no legitimate reason to ban him from a campus other than pure anti-intellectualism/censorship. And whatever you want to say about Shapiro, I've never heard him make an illogical argument and he's a man of conviction who quit Breitbart rather than take up its editorial stance in supporting Trump.

Milo is a flamethrower, an entertainer, a totally different animal.


He's a man of conviction but with questionable principles?


I don't think you read what I wrote correctly. I think he has principles. It was CH who suggested he did not.

Author:  shakes [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:14 am ]
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/14/defiant-ben-shapiro-will-appear-at-depaul-university-despite-ban.amp.html

Ban didn't stick. Looks like he is gonna speak anyway.


BTW, here is an excerpt from the article and the reason I am now even more embarrassed that I went to this shit school.

DePaul’s former President was forced to resign after he failed to “adequately apologize” to the student body for allowing an opposing viewpoint on campus

Fuck you DePaul, you'll never get another dime out of me.

Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:16 am ]
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shakes wrote:

DePaul’s former President was forced to resign after he failed to “adequately apologize” to the student body for allowing an opposing viewpoint on campus


Good God almighty.

Author:  formerlyknownas [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:48 pm ]
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ToxicMasculinity wrote:
formerlyknownas wrote:
they didn't let Milo Yiannopoulos speak.....or shouted him down....no big loss, but it looks foolish. DePaul is extremely PC.


Do you have anymore examples? I have a jackass friend who loves to tell me DePaul isn't a cry baby campus "like Loyola" in his words. Other than Milo I haven't been able to illustrate that both are the same.

PS. Yes he is a douche but this comes down to school pride.

From a Nina Burleigh (Newsweek) piece:

At DePaul University in Chicago, Students for Trump snuck out to the student center around midnight on April 4 and chalked the sidewalk, scrawling their candidate’s name and phrases like “Blue lives matter” and “Don’t feel the Bern.” They then posted photos of their handiwork on Facebook. By morning light, other students had complained to the administration, and the university had dispatched custodians to wash away the offending chalk.

Nicole Been, a national political/recruitment director with Students for Trump at DePaul, says their slogans were selectively washed off; for example, janitors erased “Don’t” and left “feel the Bern.” After students began a social media campaign to file a hate crimes complaint against the Trump supporters . . . Students for Trump went to the administration, demanding their right to free speech. “We said we are sick of being called ‘racist’ and ‘bigot,’ and this is on you,” Been recalls. “And they said, ‘Well, [your slogans] can be triggering.’”

Author:  Curious Hair [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:50 pm ]
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Shapiro eventually went for Trump like all the Never-Trumpers.

Author:  denisdman [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:50 pm ]
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People seem to support free speech when it's speech they agree with. And this applies to both sides of the spectrum. Ironic that free speech would die on university campuses.

Author:  Curious Hair [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:52 pm ]
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There are far-left antisemitic speakers I wouldn't want collecting a speaking fee either.

Author:  denisdman [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:54 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
There are far-left antisemitic speakers I wouldn't want collecting a speaking fee either.



Speaking of that, it's hard to believe that the Jeremy Corbin led Labor Party in the UK has gone so far in support of Islamic Constituents that they are not actively considered the anti-Jew party. Never thought I'd see much of that from the left, especially the center left.

Author:  Curious Hair [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:03 pm ]
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Yeah, Corbyn's Labour has some problems, but the held-over Blairites are such impotent bitches that they can't do anything to stop him, and they try like once a week.

Author:  SomeGuy [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:08 pm ]
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denisdman wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
There are far-left antisemitic speakers I wouldn't want collecting a speaking fee either.



Speaking of that, it's hard to believe that the Jeremy Corbin led Labor Party in the UK has gone so far in support of Islamic Constituents that they are not actively considered the anti-Jew party. Never thought I'd see much of that from the left, especially the center left.


Ah, the ever changing landscape of a changing electorate. Having a policy of mass immigration of an un-assimilatable population is for more than just showing your goodwill towards man.

Author:  denisdman [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:10 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
Yeah, Corbyn's Labour has some problems, but the held-over Blairites are such impotent bitches that they can't do anything to stop him, and they try like once a week.


Amazing that the Labor MP's voted to oust Corbyn like 3-1, but then Corbyn won the leadership vote which was put out to members by a wide margin. I love UK politics....

Author:  denisdman [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:12 pm ]
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SomeGuy wrote:
denisdman wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
There are far-left antisemitic speakers I wouldn't want collecting a speaking fee either.



Speaking of that, it's hard to believe that the Jeremy Corbin led Labor Party in the UK has gone so far in support of Islamic Constituents that they are not actively considered the anti-Jew party. Never thought I'd see much of that from the left, especially the center left.


Ah, the ever changing landscape of a changing electorate. Having a policy of mass immigration of an un-assimilatable population is for more than just showing your goodwill towards man.


The UK is in a weird spot with that. As a member of the EU, they had to let in any EU immigrants. Plus with the Commonwealth, they tend to let in all those folks.

I don't view immigration as inherently negative. It certainly causes some pain with the assimilation process, but all the studies show it is a net positive.

Author:  Curious Hair [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:12 pm ]
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denisdman wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
Yeah, Corbyn's Labour has some problems, but the held-over Blairites are such impotent bitches that they can't do anything to stop him, and they try like once a week.


Amazing that the Labor MP's voted to oust Corbyn like 3-1, but then Corbyn won the leadership vote which was put out to members by a wide margin. I love UK politics....


It's like Hillary v. Bernie, where the party elites want one person and the little people want another, except Labour's elites are more easily foiled.

Author:  denisdman [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:15 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
denisdman wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
Yeah, Corbyn's Labour has some problems, but the held-over Blairites are such impotent bitches that they can't do anything to stop him, and they try like once a week.


Amazing that the Labor MP's voted to oust Corbyn like 3-1, but then Corbyn won the leadership vote which was put out to members by a wide margin. I love UK politics....


It's like Hillary v. Bernie, where the party elites want one person and the little people want another, except Labour's elites are more easily foiled.


Lots of parallels. I am sure you agree that Brexit and Trump are very similar dynamics as well....

France is the National Front/Le Pen.

Author:  Rod [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:18 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
Shapiro eventually went for Trump like all the Never-Trumpers.



I don't think he did.

Author:  Tad Queasy [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:32 pm ]
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formerlyknownas wrote:
ToxicMasculinity wrote:
formerlyknownas wrote:
they didn't let Milo Yiannopoulos speak.....or shouted him down....no big loss, but it looks foolish. DePaul is extremely PC.


Do you have anymore examples? I have a jackass friend who loves to tell me DePaul isn't a cry baby campus "like Loyola" in his words. Other than Milo I haven't been able to illustrate that both are the same.

PS. Yes he is a douche but this comes down to school pride.

From a Nina Burleigh (Newsweek) piece:

At DePaul University in Chicago, Students for Trump snuck out to the student center around midnight on April 4 and chalked the sidewalk, scrawling their candidate’s name and phrases like “Blue lives matter” and “Don’t feel the Bern.” They then posted photos of their handiwork on Facebook. By morning light, other students had complained to the administration, and the university had dispatched custodians to wash away the offending chalk.

Nicole Been, a national political/recruitment director with Students for Trump at DePaul, says their slogans were selectively washed off; for example, janitors erased “Don’t” and left “feel the Bern.” After students began a social media campaign to file a hate crimes complaint against the Trump supporters . . . Students for Trump went to the administration, demanding their right to free speech. “We said we are sick of being called ‘racist’ and ‘bigot,’ and this is on you,” Been recalls. “And they said, ‘Well, [your slogans] can be triggering.’”


I am more than a little concerned that there is not only a generation of people who think supporting a candidate they do not is considered hate speech and should not be allowed, but that their claims are being supported by college administrators.

These are also the same people who accuse those they try and silence of being fascists.

Author:  shakes [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:42 pm ]
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At this point, if you go to college you can assume that I hate you.

Author:  America [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:22 pm ]
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denisdman wrote:
France is the National Front/Le Pen.

The old man invented this shit decades ago. Really a lot of the alt-right/Trump campaigning is lifted straight out of the Le Pen playbook.

I wonder if he's cogent enough to realize his plan finally worked. Took more than 40 years but he finally did it, of course not in France (YET) but in America and the UK. I'm sure that grinds him more than anything.

Author:  denisdman [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:25 pm ]
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America wrote:
denisdman wrote:
France is the National Front/Le Pen.

The old man invented this shit decades ago. Really a lot of the alt-right/Trump campaigning is lifted straight out of the Le Pen playbook.

I wonder if he's cogent enough to realize his plan finally worked. Took more than 40 years but he finally did it, of course not in France (YET) but in America and the UK. I'm sure that grinds him more than anything.


Yeah, but he got thrown out of the party by his own daughter. So it is Jean Marie light these days. They are blue prints though?

Trump/Brexit/UKIP/National Front. Anti globalization, anti-immigration. They all have the same voter base. I think the world has progressed too far for a large portion of the Western population, and they have been left behind by all the changes in such a short period of time.

Author:  Curious Hair [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:28 pm ]
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America wrote:
denisdman wrote:
France is the National Front/Le Pen.

The old man invented this shit decades ago. Really a lot of the alt-right/Trump campaigning is lifted straight out of the Le Pen playbook.

I wonder if he's cogent enough to realize his plan finally worked. Took more than 40 years but he finally did it, of course not in France (YET) but in America and the UK. I'm sure that grinds him more than anything.


Oh, France is gonna fall next. I see no way it doesn't. You think we hate non-assimilating Muslims? Try a country that actually has to deal with them every day. French Jews support the National Front!

Author:  denisdman [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:32 pm ]
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The only minor difference is the entire run-off election thing. No doubt she will make it into the second round. But at that point, the left voters combine with the right to keep the National Front out of power. That is what happened to her father. She still may win, but most people put her national support in the mid-30% area. It is expected she will be up against a yet to be determined right leaning candidate.

It is also looking like Renzi's government is going to fall when their referendum comes up. Then the Five Star movement may take hold in Italy too.

Brexit was just the beginning of reactionary, anti global voting. Maybe it started in Greece, I dunno anymore.

Author:  Peter Puck [ Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:35 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
Oh, France is gonna fall next. I see no way it doesn't. You think we hate non-assimilating Muslims? Try a country that actually has to deal with them every day. French Jews support the National Front!


I tend to doubt there are that many French Jews left to make a difference in any election.

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