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Post subject: Obama

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 2:08 am

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https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/01/obama-expands-surveillance-powers-his-way-out

Obama Expands Surveillance Powers on His Way Out

With mere days left before President-elect Donald Trump takes the White House, President Barack Obama’s administration just finalized rules to make it easier for the nation’s intelligence agencies to share unfiltered information about innocent people.

New rules issued by the Obama administration under Executive Order 12333 will let the NSA—which collects information under that authority with little oversight, transparency, or concern for privacy—share the raw streams of communications it intercepts directly with agencies including the FBI, the DEA, and the Department of Homeland Security, according to a report today by the New York Times.

That’s a huge and troubling shift in the way those intelligence agencies receive information collected by the NSA. Domestic agencies like the FBI are subject to more privacy protections, including warrant requirements. Previously, the NSA shared data with these agencies only after it had screened the data, filtering out unnecessary personal information, including about innocent people whose communications were swept up the NSA’s massive surveillance operations.

As the New York Times put it, with the new rules, the government claims to be “reducing the risk that the N.S.A. will fail to recognize that a piece of information would be valuable to another agency, but increasing the risk that officials will see private information about innocent people.”

Under the new, relaxed rules, there are still conditions that need to be met before the NSA will grant domestic intelligence analysts access to the raw streams of data it collects. And analysts can only search that raw data for information about Americans for foreign intelligence and counterintelligence purposes, not domestic criminal cases.

However—and this is especially troubling—“if analysts stumble across evidence that an American has committed any crime, they will send it to the Justice Department,” the Times wrote. So information that was collected without a warrant—or indeed any involvement by a court at all—for foreign intelligence purposes with little to no privacy protections, can be accessed raw and unfiltered by domestic law enforcement agencies to prosecute Americans with no involvement in threats to national security.

We had hoped for more. In November, we and other civil liberties and privacy groups sent a letter to President Obama asking him to improve transparency and accountability, especially around government surveillance, before he leaves office. This is not the transparency we were hoping for.

We asked that he declassify and release Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court opinions, shed some much-needed light on how certain foreign-facing surveillance programs are used to target Americans, and more.

Obviously, and not for the first time, we are disappointed in the Obama administration.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/us/politics/nsa-gets-more-latitude-to-share-intercepted-communications.html
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/01/obama-expanding-nsa-powers/513041/

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Post subject: Re: Obama

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:38 am

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So in theory, he legalized the nsa to turn over any evidence the nsa collected about trump to the fbi for prosecution.

Fully approve this nomination. u y

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leashyourkids

Post subject: Re: Obama

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:21 am

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Fuck that. The brown part is unconstitutional and should be ruled as such.

Fuckin beta cucks...

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Chus

Post subject: Re: Obama

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:22 am

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The Patriot Act and all the NSA bullshit are probably my biggest criticisms of "fake progressive" Barry.

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Post subject: Re: Obama

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:48 am

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Chus wrote:

The Patriot Act and all the NSA bullshit are probably my biggest criticisms of "fake progressive" Barry.

Hillary was bashed by Progressives and most of it was legitimate in terms of her lacking progressive bonafides. Why and how Obama escaped their wrath is one of the larger mysteries to me.

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Post subject: Re: Obama

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:57 am

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long time guy wrote:

Chus wrote:

The Patriot Act and all the NSA bullshit are probably my biggest criticisms of "fake progressive" Barry.

Hillary was bashed by Progressives and most of it was legitimate in terms of her lacking progressive bonafides. Why and how Obama escaped their wrath is one of the larger mysteries to me.

Likability.

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long time guy

Post subject: Re: Obama

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:06 pm

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Nas wrote:

long time guy wrote:

Chus wrote:

The Patriot Act and all the NSA bullshit are probably my biggest criticisms of "fake progressive" Barry.

Hillary was bashed by Progressives and most of it was legitimate in terms of her lacking progressive bonafides. Why and how Obama escaped their wrath is one of the larger mysteries to me.

Likability.

That is why the whole Progressive thing is a sham in a lot of respects. Obama should have also felt the wrath. He was the sitting President for one and for two his Presidency was a continuation of Bush's in a number respects.

If they ducked him because of political popularity then that makes them no better than any of the politicians that they are always bashing.

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leashyourkids

Post subject: Re: Obama

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:14 pm

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long time guy wrote:

Nas wrote:

long time guy wrote:

Chus wrote:

The Patriot Act and all the NSA bullshit are probably my biggest criticisms of "fake progressive" Barry.

Hillary was bashed by Progressives and most of it was legitimate in terms of her lacking progressive bonafides. Why and how Obama escaped their wrath is one of the larger mysteries to me.

Likability.

Obama was weird because there was so much misinformation about him. I could be at a social gathering in one room where people were calling him a Communist radical and then go in another room where people were calling him a fake, sellout Democrat who was closer to a Republican. This is called the "Scorehead Principle."

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Drake LaRrieta

Post subject: Re: Obama

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:20 pm

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leashyourkids wrote:

His affiliation with Saul Alinsky and Bill Ayers should make the Communist radical aspect clear.

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Chus

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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:31 pm

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Yet Trump continues to get a pass even though he hangs out with actual communists.

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Post subject: Re: Obama

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:44 pm

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Chus wrote:

The Patriot Act and all the NSA bullshit are probably my biggest criticisms of "fake progressive" Barry.

Agreed, he was pretty cool with continuing all the awful ideas that Bush put in motion.

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Post subject: Re: Obama

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:26 pm

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Drake LaRrieta wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

His affiliation with Saul Alinsky and Bill Ayers should make the Communist radical aspect clear.

And what specific governance did he perform that made him a radical Communist?

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Post subject: Re: Obama

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:29 pm

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leashyourkids wrote:

Drake LaRrieta wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

His affiliation with Saul Alinsky and Bill Ayers should make the Communist radical aspect clear.

And what specific governance did he perform that made him a radical Communist?

He smoked some cigarettes. Commies also smoke cigarettes.
Dude. C'mon man.

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leashyourkids

Post subject: Re: Obama

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:33 pm

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Darkside wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

Drake LaRrieta wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

His affiliation with Saul Alinsky and Bill Ayers should make the Communist radical aspect clear.

And what specific governance did he perform that made him a radical Communist?

He smoked some cigarettes. Commies also smoke cigarettes.
Dude. C'mon man.

That must be it. I've yet to figure out how Obama is simultaneously part of a global conspiracy tomake America Communist and also a status quo piece of shit who has deported millions of immigrants, drone struck Muslim-American citizens, and ramped up the unconstitutional surveillance enacted by Bush. It's quite the conundrum.

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leashyourkids

Post subject: Re: Obama

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:38 pm

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Chus wrote:

Yet Trump continues to get a pass even though he hangs out with actual communists.

Was just about to type this. Putin has voiced numerous times that he is a big fan of socialist and communist principles, and he's Trump's pee buddy.

And for the record, I don't think for a second that Trump is Communist. He clearly loves his Capitalism, believe me. But this idiot Mini Ditka fails to realize his inconsistency at all.

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long time guy

Post subject: Re: Obama

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:43 pm

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leashyourkids wrote:

long time guy wrote:

Nas wrote:

long time guy wrote:

Chus wrote:

The Patriot Act and all the NSA bullshit are probably my biggest criticisms of "fake progressive" Barry.

Hillary was bashed by Progressives and most of it was legitimate in terms of her lacking progressive bonafides. Why and how Obama escaped their wrath is one of the larger mysteries to me.

Likability.

I think his Jeremiah Wright affiliation also led some to think he was radical. I think that was more motivated by Michelle and it was done for political reasons. During the late 80's up through the late 90's at least Wright's church was the happening thing for the black bourgeois crowd.

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Drake LaRrieta

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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:04 pm

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leashyourkids wrote:

Drake LaRrieta wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

His affiliation with Saul Alinsky and Bill Ayers should make the Communist radical aspect clear.

And what specific governance did he perform that made him a radical Communist?

Probably the use of executive orders to circumvent the legislative branch.

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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:06 pm

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Drake LaRrieta wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

Drake LaRrieta wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

His affiliation with Saul Alinsky and Bill Ayers should make the Communist radical aspect clear.

And what specific governance did he perform that made him a radical Communist?

Probably the use of executive orders to circumvent the legislative branch.

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Post subject: Re: Obama

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:07 pm

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Drake LaRrieta wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

Drake LaRrieta wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

His affiliation with Saul Alinsky and Bill Ayers should make the Communist radical aspect clear.

And what specific governance did he perform that made him a radical Communist?

Probably the use of executive orders to circumvent the legislative branch.

SOOPER DOOPER!

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leashyourkids

Post subject: Re: Obama

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:19 pm

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Drake LaRrieta wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

Drake LaRrieta wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

His affiliation with Saul Alinsky and Bill Ayers should make the Communist radical aspect clear.

And what specific governance did he perform that made him a radical Communist?

Probably the use of executive orders to circumvent the legislative branch.

So every president of the last 100+ years is a radical Communist?

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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:35 pm

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Drake LaRrieta wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

Drake LaRrieta wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

His affiliation with Saul Alinsky and Bill Ayers should make the Communist radical aspect clear.

And what specific governance did he perform that made him a radical Communist?

Probably the use of executive orders to circumvent the legislative branch.

People like you should not be allowed to vote, procreate, or breathe.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:

Drake LaRrieta wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

Drake LaRrieta wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

His affiliation with Saul Alinsky and Bill Ayers should make the Communist radical aspect clear.

And what specific governance did he perform that made him a radical Communist?

Probably the use of executive orders to circumvent the legislative branch.

People like you should not be allowed to vote, procreate, or breathe.

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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:50 pm

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Frank Coztansa wrote:

Drake LaRrieta wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

Drake LaRrieta wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

His affiliation with Saul Alinsky and Bill Ayers should make the Communist radical aspect clear.

And what specific governance did he perform that made him a radical Communist?

Probably the use of executive orders to circumvent the legislative branch.

People like you should not be allowed to vote, procreate, or breathe.

His assertion that using executive orders means one is a radical Communist is, without hyperbole, one of the five dumbest thoughts I've ever read here. I'm kind of unsure whether hes real now.

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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:54 pm

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leashyourkids wrote:

His assertion that using executive orders means one is a radical Communist is, without hyperbole, one of the five dumbest thoughts I've ever read here. I'm kind of unsure whether hes real now.

It's really really dumb to be sure. But there is a wonderful history of super stupid on the board. Are you sure you can put this that high?

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Darkside wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

His assertion that using executive orders means one is a radical Communist is, without hyperbole, one of the five dumbest thoughts I've ever read here. I'm kind of unsure whether hes real now.

It's really really dumb to be sure. But there is a wonderful history of super stupid on the board. Are you sure you can put this that high?

You know how it goes. Recency bias is always a possibility.

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leashyourkids wrote:

Darkside wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

His assertion that using executive orders means one is a radical Communist is, without hyperbole, one of the five dumbest thoughts I've ever read here. I'm kind of unsure whether hes real now.

It's really really dumb to be sure. But there is a wonderful history of super stupid on the board. Are you sure you can put this that high?

You know how it goes. Recency bias is always a possibility.

Does recency bias ever compete with nostalgia?

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leashyourkids

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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:11 pm

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Darkside wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

Darkside wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

His assertion that using executive orders means one is a radical Communist is, without hyperbole, one of the five dumbest thoughts I've ever read here. I'm kind of unsure whether hes real now.

It's really really dumb to be sure. But there is a wonderful history of super stupid on the board. Are you sure you can put this that high?

You know how it goes. Recency bias is always a possibility.

Does recency bias ever compete with nostalgia?

I think they squared off in the '85 Belmont Stakes.

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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:17 pm

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Ah I remember. I bet on repressed memories.

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Post subject: Re: Obama

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:44 am

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I agree with this nomination.

Sad!

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