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| Author: | FavreFan [ Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | People who blame bars for people getting drunk |
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... story.html Not the bars fault this guy got too loaded and killed himself and someone else. |
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| Author: | redskingreg [ Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: People who blame bars for people getting drunk |
I see where she's coming from, but at the same time, a bar could serve someone up to a 0.09. Someone who isn't hammered, but legally intoxicated. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: People who blame bars for people getting drunk |
redskingreg wrote: I see where she's coming from, but at the same time, a bar could serve someone up to a 0.09. Someone who isn't hammered, but legally intoxicated. I don't see where she's coming from. I know the family is grieving but this lawsuit is dumb. She's blaming the very first bar they went to? Get the fuck outta here. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: People who blame bars for people getting drunk |
Unless this dude was throwing up on himself and they continued to serve him, the claims against the bars are going to be dismissed. |
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| Author: | Caller Bob [ Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: People who blame bars for people getting drunk |
That one bar we were talking about(with the stupid dress code), Bottled Blonde, might be finding themselves in trouble too. Some shit bag after leaving was doing 100 mph, crashed, killed the girl and the coward fled. Thankfully he did the right thing and hung himself. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: People who blame bars for people getting drunk |
I blame the Nissan dealership that sold him the car. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: People who blame bars for people getting drunk |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I blame the Nissan dealership that sold him the car. I think the company he worked for should be in the lawsuit as well. They knowingly provided him with the money he used to pay for his drinks. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: People who blame bars for people getting drunk |
FavreFan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I blame the Nissan dealership that sold him the car. I think the company he worked for should be in the lawsuit as well. They knowingly provided him with the money he used to pay for his drinks. Bring in the US Treasury that minted the money used to purchase his drinks. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: People who blame bars for people getting drunk |
SpiralStairs wrote: FavreFan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I blame the Nissan dealership that sold him the car. I think the company he worked for should be in the lawsuit as well. They knowingly provided him with the money he used to pay for his drinks. Bring in the US Treasury that minted the money used to purchase his drinks. SUE EVERYBODY! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhjBlPucpd0 |
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| Author: | shakes [ Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: People who blame bars for people getting drunk |
In a dramshop case you sue every place the guy drank and then eventually blame is assigned to the places where its established the guy became intoxicated. As for the big picture question as to why dramshop exists in the first place there are clear policy reasons why its a good idea and necessary for society to hold bars responsible for getting people liquored up and then sending them on their merry way. In a Utopia everyone is responsible for their own actions. We don't live in a Utopia. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: People who blame bars for people getting drunk |
shakes wrote: In a dramshop case you sue every place the guy drank and then eventually blame is assigned to the places where its established the guy became intoxicated. and lawyers wonder why people hate them |
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| Author: | leashyourkids [ Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: People who blame bars for people getting drunk |
Hillary Clinton wants to let them sue the liquor companies. |
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| Author: | DannyB [ Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: People who blame bars for people getting drunk |
The damages are limited to only $75k or something. It's largely symbolic. |
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| Author: | W_Z [ Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:34 pm ] |
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| Author: | shakes [ Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: People who blame bars for people getting drunk |
FavreFan wrote: shakes wrote: In a dramshop case you sue every place the guy drank and then eventually blame is assigned to the places where its established the guy became intoxicated. and lawyers wonder why people hate them because we're thorough and try to make sure we don't commit malpractice? Until you start discovery you won't know exactly where the guy got hammered. Can't start discovery until you file suit. So have to sue every place just in case it turns out that's the place where it happened. If you just assume a bar isn't going to be liable and leave them out of the suit and then it turns out he did 7 shots before walking out the door, but you found that out after the SOL has passed you just committed malpractice. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: People who blame bars for people getting drunk |
shakes wrote: FavreFan wrote: shakes wrote: In a dramshop case you sue every place the guy drank and then eventually blame is assigned to the places where its established the guy became intoxicated. and lawyers wonder why people hate them because we're thorough and try to make sure we don't commit malpractice? Until you start discovery you won't know exactly where the guy got hammered. Can't start discovery until you file suit. So have to sue every place just in case it turns out that's the place where it happened. If you just assume a bar isn't going to be liable and leave them out of the suit and then it turns out he did 7 shots before walking out the door, but you found that out after the SOL has passed you just committed malpractice. Just don't take a case where some dumbass family wants to sue someone who didn't do anything wrong. Problem solved. |
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| Author: | Caller Bob [ Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: People who blame bars for people getting drunk |
Odds are Shakes is highly more educated than FF and subsequently has much higher earning power and that makes FavreFan salty. Don't hate the player.... |
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| Author: | shakes [ Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: People who blame bars for people getting drunk |
FavreFan wrote: shakes wrote: FavreFan wrote: shakes wrote: In a dramshop case you sue every place the guy drank and then eventually blame is assigned to the places where its established the guy became intoxicated. and lawyers wonder why people hate them because we're thorough and try to make sure we don't commit malpractice? Until you start discovery you won't know exactly where the guy got hammered. Can't start discovery until you file suit. So have to sue every place just in case it turns out that's the place where it happened. If you just assume a bar isn't going to be liable and leave them out of the suit and then it turns out he did 7 shots before walking out the door, but you found that out after the SOL has passed you just committed malpractice. Just don't take a case where some dumbass family wants to sue someone who didn't do anything wrong. Problem solved. You don't like/understand dramshop, I get it. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: People who blame bars for people getting drunk |
Caller Bob wrote: Odds are Shakes is highly more educated than FF  You just can't help sounding like an idiot. There is no doubt shakes makes more than me. I don't really give a shit. If I cared about money I would move back to North Dakota and be making 3-4x what I make now. |
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| Author: | Caller Bob [ Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: People who blame bars for people getting drunk |
Your gains would probably be wiped out by the housing shortage. |
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| Author: | shakes [ Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: People who blame bars for people getting drunk |
Caller Bob wrote: Odds are Shakes is highly more educated than FF and subsequently has much higher earning power and that makes FavreFan salty. Don't hate the player.... FF is cool, he's a fellow member of team weed. He doesn't like/understand dramshop which is not a big deal, lots of people don't. There's nothing cut and dry about it, it's a pretty complicated law when you start examining the reasoning for it. I've had this exact same discussion before with intelligent people. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: People who blame bars for people getting drunk |
Caller Bob wrote: Your gains would probably be wiped out by the housing shortage. I've already lived and worked up there. This is unequivocally wrong. |
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| Author: | Caller Bob [ Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: People who blame bars for people getting drunk |
shakes wrote: I've had this exact same discussion before with intelligent people. And now you are having it with FF. 
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| Author: | Chus [ Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: People who blame bars for people getting drunk |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I blame the Nissan dealership that sold him the car. I blame the auto workers who built the car. |
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| Author: | Caller Bob [ Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: People who blame bars for people getting drunk |
Chus wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I blame the Nissan dealership that sold him the car. I blame the auto workers who built the car. I blame the Pulte Home that had the garage, that housed the car. |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: People who blame bars for people getting drunk |
That comma seems unnecessary |
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| Author: | Chus [ Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: People who blame bars for people getting drunk |
Caller Bob wrote: Chus wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I blame the Nissan dealership that sold him the car. I blame the auto workers who built the car. I blame the Pulte Home that had the garage, that housed the car. This is the house that Jack Pulte built. |
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| Author: | chaspoppcap [ Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: People who blame bars for people getting drunk |
Well,If M.A.D.D. gets their way. Evey place that serves alcohol will have to have a licensed calibrated breathalyzer machine. As you leave you have to blow, if you are over the limit the establishment has to provide you with a ride home |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: People who blame bars for people getting drunk |
shakes wrote: FavreFan wrote: shakes wrote: In a dramshop case you sue every place the guy drank and then eventually blame is assigned to the places where its established the guy became intoxicated. and lawyers wonder why people hate them because we're thorough and try to make sure we don't commit malpractice? Until you start discovery you won't know exactly where the guy got hammered. Can't start discovery until you file suit. So have to sue every place just in case it turns out that's the place where it happened. If you just assume a bar isn't going to be liable and leave them out of the suit and then it turns out he did 7 shots before walking out the door, but you found that out after the SOL has passed you just committed malpractice. Bartenders and servers used to be required to take a TIPS class to avoid over serving, in order to work in a place that sold liquor. Is that still the case shakes? |
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| Author: | Furious Styles [ Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: People who blame bars for people getting drunk |
chaspoppcap wrote: As you leave you have to blow Was this imperative uttered by you in 2007? |
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