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| Author: | Tad Queasy [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Flowers for Dreams |
This seems naive and childish to me. "Nazis are bad! BOOOO Nazis!" http://wgntv.com/2017/08/14/chicago-flo ... here-else/ CHICAGO — A Chicago flower company is asking its customers to take a stance against racism – or take their business somewhere else. Visitors to the website of Flowers for Dreams are presented with a question in a pop-up: “Do you condemn racism, Nazism, and white nationalism?” If they select “Yes,” the website thanks them “for speaking out against hate,” and suggests they make a donation to groups like the Anti-Defamation League. If they select “No,” the website says: “Thank you but no thank you. We don’t want your business here.” Clicking “Goodbye” then redirects the user to the home page of the U.S. Holocaust Museum. Flowers for Dreams co-founder and CEO Steven Dyme said the move was inspired by the events in Charlottesville, VA over the weekend, when a man drove a car into a crowd of people protesting a white supremacist rally. “For us it felt like seeing the response on social media that people, especially minority communities, felt vulnerable,” Dyme said. Dyme said many of the company’s customers and employees are from diverse communities, including “all kinds of races and religions,” and it felt like their shared values were “under attack.” So they came on the idea of implementing a pop-up to show their support for those communities – and their opposition to white supremacist groups. “Our customers and our team members are the same, they all speak with their money as a way to express their values,” Dyme said. “We see ourselves as being a forceful kind of agent of those values to continue to promote them in the world.” The pop-up went live on the Flowers for Dreams website Sunday night. And while visitors technically are able to avoid the question by clicking outside of the pop-up, the company made its point clear with posts on social media as well, writing: “If you’re unwilling to take sides, we don’t want your business.” “We want to act firmly when others have been more wavering or waffling on it,” Dyme said. Dyme said the response so far has been overwhelmingly positive. Their posts on social media have been shared hundreds of times. He said he hopes their effort will inspire other businesses to follow suit, and shift the larger conversation away from white supremacist groups. “We’re not going to let neo-Nazis be the talk of the day,” he said. This seems like virtue signaling to the highest degree. Not to mention that I find it rather insulting that I have to prove I'm not a Nazi sympathizer. Does anyone have to prove they're not a supporter of ISIS? |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flowers for Dreams |
Some rights are able to be discriminated against. Don't be a Nazi. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flowers for Dreams |
I'm proud that my local bakery doesn't bake cake for the gays |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flowers for Dreams |
Wow, didnt know Tad was a Free Speech fighting first amendment hating liberal |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flowers for Dreams |
badrogue17 wrote: I'm proud that my local bakery doesn't bake cake for the gays What if you are a gay Nazi? |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flowers for Dreams |
This will probably end up as one of those weird stories where the ACLU ends up filing suit for David Duke and his rights to purchase flowers. |
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| Author: | Tad Queasy [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flowers for Dreams |
Will a comprehensive list of things I have to prove I do not condone in order to purchase goods and services be posted on social media? |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flowers for Dreams |
Not one flower shop stood up for the Nazis when Jake and Elwood ran them over at a peaceful demonstration. |
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| Author: | Tad Queasy [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flowers for Dreams |
This is also a weaselly way to get a TON of free advertising under the guise of being socially conscious. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flowers for Dreams |
Poor nazi-sympathizing flower enthusiasts. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flowers for Dreams |
Tad Queasy wrote: This is also a weaselly way to get a TON of free advertising under the guise of being socially conscious. Honestly, I like it. They're risking alienating potential clients for their beliefs. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flowers for Dreams |
It's always awkward when I have to explain I was a fan of Hogans Heroes because they made FUN of Nazis before businesses will serve me . |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flowers for Dreams |
badrogue17 wrote: It's always awkward when I have to explain I was a fan of Hogans Heroes because they made FUN of Nazis before businesses will serve me . Hogan's Heroes really needed to add a Russian POW to the mix. |
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| Author: | City of Fools [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flowers for Dreams |
Hogan's Heroes deserves its own thread on this board. And I will make it. |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flowers for Dreams |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: Poor nazi-sympathizing flower enthusiasts. First they came for the nazi-sympathizing flower enthusiasts then they came for YOU. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flowers for Dreams |
Wasn't that Tom Cruise's idea for the name of bar in Cocktail? |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flowers for Dreams |
Tad Queasy wrote: This is also a weaselly way to get a TON of free advertising under the guise of being socially conscious. It seems like you're helping them do that. |
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| Author: | Tad Queasy [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flowers for Dreams |
Douchebag wrote: Tad Queasy wrote: This is also a weaselly way to get a TON of free advertising under the guise of being socially conscious. It seems like you're helping them do that. Right. Countless orders have been placed by CFMB members as a result of this thread. |
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| Author: | denisdman [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flowers for Dreams |
Tad Queasy wrote: Douchebag wrote: Tad Queasy wrote: This is also a weaselly way to get a TON of free advertising under the guise of being socially conscious. It seems like you're helping them do that. Right. Countless orders have been denied from CFMB members as a result of this thread. Corrected. |
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| Author: | Tad Queasy [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flowers for Dreams |
denisdman wrote: Tad Queasy wrote: Douchebag wrote: Tad Queasy wrote: This is also a weaselly way to get a TON of free advertising under the guise of being socially conscious. It seems like you're helping them do that. Right. Countless orders have been denied from CFMB members as a result of this thread. Corrected. Damn! It was part of my secret plan to boot their sales by posting this story. I didn't think folks here would be so foolish as to click the Wrong Side of History button.  
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| Author: | redskingreg [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flowers for Dreams |
Yes, I'll have the spicy chicken value meal, and I hate nazis. |
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| Author: | Apologist [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flowers for Dreams |
Clever PR stunt? maybe, but knowing nothing about this business... I would wager to say that a large percentage of florists have female and/or Gay ownership. Business owners have the wherewithal to make a stand on whatever issues they may see fit. Hell, they are probably pandering to their demo... which is good business. Not DB-worthy. |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flowers for Dreams |
Apologist wrote: Clever PR stunt? maybe, It's got Tad and his twitter avengers fired up, so it's working. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flowers for Dreams |
So this flower place doesn't even care what their customers stance on child rape is? That's pretty fucked up. Taking my flower business elsewhere |
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| Author: | Brick [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flowers for Dreams |
Douchebag wrote: Apologist wrote: Clever PR stunt? maybe, It's got Tad and his twitter avengers fired up, so it's working. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flowers for Dreams |
Great thread today . |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flowers for Dreams |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: Douchebag wrote: Apologist wrote: Clever PR stunt? maybe, It's got Tad and his twitter avengers fired up, so it's working. Sure this can go in that direction. Wouldn't the point in that argument be though that is doesn't matter if they are alike? |
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| Author: | Brick [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flowers for Dreams |
pittmike wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: Douchebag wrote: Apologist wrote: Clever PR stunt? maybe, It's got Tad and his twitter avengers fired up, so it's working. Sure this can go in that direction. Wouldn't the point in that argument be though that is doesn't matter if they are alike? |
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| Author: | Tad Queasy [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flowers for Dreams |
FavreFan wrote: So this flower place doesn't even care what their customers stance on child rape is? That's pretty fucked up. Taking my flower business elsewhere Flowers for Dreams' silence means they are complicit in child rape. badrogue17 wrote: Great thread today . Yup. |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Flowers for Dreams |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: pittmike wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: Douchebag wrote: Apologist wrote: Clever PR stunt? maybe, It's got Tad and his twitter avengers fired up, so it's working. Sure this can go in that direction. Wouldn't the point in that argument be though that is doesn't matter if they are alike? Not sure. I am anti Nazi and not anti gay so I would have to pretend to make the case. I imagine there would be some that say its not right that a florist can discriminate against Nazis but a baker cannot discriminate against gays wanting a wedding cake. Unless you are going to argue that Nazis have no rights or that their "thoughts" are illegal then discrimination is discrimination. In reality, I assume the Nazi will lie if they need flowers that bad or go somewhere else. |
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