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Good news for #Bears organization...they still have a lot of Stans that always side with whatever the TEAM says regardless of the 4 straight years of 10 losses or more. #ChicagoBrowns



Like the true Dan Bernstein playbook, always telling fans how they should feel about their team.


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Is he saying you should stop being a fan if your team is bad? The Bears have been run of the mill incompetent for awhile now but I agree, this is a really bad take.

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 Post subject: Re: Laurence Holmes
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Is he saying you should stop being a fan if your team is bad? The Bears have been run of the mill incompetent for awhile now but I agree, this is a really bad take.


Blind, absolutely loyal fandom equalled 108 years of losing, and now the Browns again.

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Is he saying you should stop being a fan if your team is bad? The Bears have been run of the mill incompetent for awhile now but I agree, this is a really bad take.


Blind, absolutely loyal fandom equalled 108 years of losing, and now the Browns again.

This is a bad, poorly thought out take. Shameful.

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 Post subject: Re: Laurence Holmes
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Good news for #Bears organization...they still have a lot of Stans that always side with whatever the TEAM says regardless of the 4 straight years of 10 losses or more. #ChicagoBrowns


This is coming from the guy who wants to be BFFs with Bears' players. Objectivity personified.


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 Post subject: Re: Laurence Holmes
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Is he saying you should stop being a fan if your team is bad? The Bears have been run of the mill incompetent for awhile now but I agree, this is a really bad take.

I think its about blind loyalty. Every Bears fan should want Pace and Fox gone. I guess some don't?

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It just occurred to me, is the "Stan" reference alluding to the crazy fan in the Eminem video?

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It just occurred to me, is the "Stan" reference alluding to the crazy fan in the Eminem video?

Yeah, this has been in use for quite some time.

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It just occurred to me, is the "Stan" reference alluding to the crazy fan in the Eminem video?

This is the new Buzzword


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How dumb to use that reference assuming that everyone is familiar with horrible music.


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How dumb to use that reference assuming that everyone is familiar with horrible music.

It's clearly anti-Polack


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How dumb to use that reference assuming that everyone is familiar with horrible music.

It's clearly anti-Polack

sorry, i had no idea what the hell that tweet meant... so i'll take it as an insult to Polish people


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How dumb to use that reference assuming that everyone is familiar with horrible music.

It's clearly anti-Polack



Yep..


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It just occurred to me, is the "Stan" reference alluding to the crazy fan in the Eminem video?

This is the new Buzzword


I really didn't know. Old age is a bitch

Please disregard my original post. Sports aren't that damn serious.

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Good news for #Bears organization...they still have a lot of Stans that always side with whatever the TEAM says regardless of the 4 straight years of 10 losses or more. #ChicagoBrowns



Like the true Dan Bernstein playbook, always telling fans how they should feel about their team.

Is he wrong? NFL teams inspire blind loyalty to authority figures and the Bears are far from an exception.

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Good news for #Bears organization...they still have a lot of Stans that always side with whatever the TEAM says regardless of the 4 straight years of 10 losses or more. #ChicagoBrowns



Like the true Dan Bernstein playbook, always telling fans how they should feel about their team.

Is he wrong? NFL teams inspire blind loyalty to authority figures and the Bears are far from an exception.

And some do do nothing but preach fealty to management.

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What in the blue hell is "Stan" supposed to mean?

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Did you skip every post other than the first?


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He obviously meant "Stan" as in Stan Thomas, implying all Bears fans should be shot in the head in drive-by style. Pretty dark for LoHo, but hence the douchebagging.


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Did you skip every post other than the first?


He's old too. Give him a pass.

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Did you skip every post other than the first?

Oh shit; I didn't understand some dopey reference ... what a dreadful error on my part!

Stick to defending bad female broadcasters, deutschebank.

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It was a hit song 17 years ago!

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Is he saying you should stop being a fan if your team is bad? The Bears have been run of the mill incompetent for awhile now but I agree, this is a really bad take.

I think its about blind loyalty. Every Bears fan should want Pace and Fox gone. I guess some don't?

The smart fans have wanted Fox gone since he got here.

I think there's an argument to keeping Pace. It's hard to accurately gauge the talent level of a team when they are playing for one of the worst coaching staffs in the NFL.

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Pace gets one coach hire that's truly his own, but this shit can't go on longer than two more years before everyone from Ted on down needs to be flushed.

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The smart fans have wanted Fox gone since he got here.

Brings me back to the days where Scorehead celebrated the Fox hire and proclaimed the Bears have finally hired "A real damn coach!"

:lol: :lol:

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Scorehead was left standing in a puddle of his own juices at the sight of any Stern Father Figure coach.

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Pace gets one coach hire that's truly his own, but this shit can't go on longer than two more years before everyone from Ted on down needs to be flushed.
This is why as a GM you don't accept a job where you don't get to pick your coach. Now, you are in year 3, and you've been horrible at your job so far. You already got a coach fired. You have to go out and convince someone else "Hey, join up with me, and if we don't win in year 2 then I'm fired and you are working for a new GM or you are fired with me!". So now, coaches are going to choose any other place to coach and you are stuck with whatever coach has no other options and isn't willing to wait a year to see if someone else is interested.

If you were a betting man, the odds are incredibly high that Pace, if he keeps his job, is fired for poor performance in the next 2-3 years. His only real shot is if (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky saves him, and even that draft pick looks stupid because he unnecessarily gave up a ton of picks(you know, things that help rebuilding teams) to get him.

Even if you keep him, you aren't more likely to succeed. There is absolutely no reason to believe he has a higher chance of success than whoever else you would get to replace him. The best argument for him is "Well, maybe he's not bad and a coach with a much bigger resume may just be bad!" which is certainly true but also not exactly comforting to know that we are blaming the guy who has taken two other teams to the Super Bowl over the guy that built good running back depth in a passing league!

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Pace gets one coach hire that's truly his own, but this shit can't go on longer than two more years before everyone from Ted on down needs to be flushed.
This is why as a GM you don't accept a job where you don't get to pick your coach. Now, you are in year 3, and you've been horrible at your job so far. You already got a coach fired. You have to go out and convince someone else "Hey, join up with me, and if we don't win in year 2 then I'm fired and you are working for a new GM or you are fired with me!". So now, coaches are going to choose any other place to coach and you are stuck with whatever coach has no other options and isn't willing to wait a year to see if someone else is interested.

If you were a betting man, the odds are incredibly high that Pace, if he keeps his job, is fired for poor performance in the next 2-3 years. His only real shot is if (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky saves him, and even that draft pick looks stupid because he unnecessarily gave up a ton of picks(you know, things that help rebuilding teams) to get him.

Even if you keep him, you aren't more likely to succeed. There is absolutely no reason to believe he has a higher chance of success than whoever else you would get to replace him. The best argument for him is "Well, maybe he's not bad and a coach with a much bigger resume may just be bad!" which is certainly true but also not exactly comforting to know that we are blaming the guy who has taken two other teams to the Super Bowl over the guy that built good running back depth in a passing league!

You're absolutely right. God, what a mess.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Pace gets one coach hire that's truly his own, but this shit can't go on longer than two more years before everyone from Ted on down needs to be flushed.
This is why as a GM you don't accept a job where you don't get to pick your coach. Now, you are in year 3, and you've been horrible at your job so far. You already got a coach fired. You have to go out and convince someone else "Hey, join up with me, and if we don't win in year 2 then I'm fired and you are working for a new GM or you are fired with me!". So now, coaches are going to choose any other place to coach and you are stuck with whatever coach has no other options and isn't willing to wait a year to see if someone else is interested.

If you were a betting man, the odds are incredibly high that Pace, if he keeps his job, is fired for poor performance in the next 2-3 years. His only real shot is if (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky saves him, and even that draft pick looks stupid because he unnecessarily gave up a ton of picks(you know, things that help rebuilding teams) to get him.

Even if you keep him, you aren't more likely to succeed. There is absolutely no reason to believe he has a higher chance of success than whoever else you would get to replace him. The best argument for him is "Well, maybe he's not bad and a coach with a much bigger resume may just be bad!" which is certainly true but also not exactly comforting to know that we are blaming the guy who has taken two other teams to the Super Bowl over the guy that built good running back depth in a passing league!

What are these “incredibly high odds” and are you willing to give them?

If (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky sucks(looking increasingly like the case) then of course he is fired. If Mitch can improve to just slightly below average, then it’s not gonna take much more than a new coach and playmaker WR to make this team a contender, which would mean he’s keeping his job more than two more years.

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