they want to ban wood burning stoves. Yeah thats right,they want to ban fire.

Downtown LA is undergoing massive redevelopment and increases in condo styled units. I was shocked at the level of homelessness near the downtown area after we went to a restaurant built in a redeveloping area.

Cali is such a place of contradictions.

The cost to live is out of control. And the factionalism even among the Democrats far exceeds the crap we have in Illinois. There is outright disdain between folks from LA and SF.

Still I have to applaud Governor Brown for digging that state out of a huge hole in the recession.

Downtown LA is undergoing massive redevelopment and increases in condo styled units. I was shocked at the level of homelessness near the downtown area after we went to a restaurant built in a redeveloping area.

Cali is such a place of contradictions.

The cost to live is out of control. And the factionalism even among the Democrats far exceeds the crap we have in Illinois. There is outright disdain between folks from LA and SF.

Still I have to applaud Governor Brown for digging that state out of a huge hole in the recession.

Massive skyscrapers shouldn't be everywhere.

Denied.

They have legal weed, that outweighs any perceived negative.

Massive skyscrapers shouldn't be everywhere.

Agreed.

Other states offer this perk without the massive housing shortage

O pitied be the noble real estate developer. Now how will San Francisco have unsightly adult dormitories everywhere?

NIMBYs ruin everything.

Without the real estate developer, who will build the homes to fill the inventory shortage that exists?

Lots of jealousy and envy pops up each time California gets discussed around here.

NYC builds as high as possible. Still a massive housing shortage. It's like adding lanes on an expressway. It fills up quick and then it's the same.

Is there really envy for a state where you have to live 2+ hours from your job if you want to own a home? I'd say 6 million people packing up and leaving in a decade speaks volumes for the situation. I think a lot of people who like California are figuring out they can get most of what California offers at a cheaper price in Oregon.

NYC is one of the unique global cities where a large amount of money is laundered through real estate. not everything built is used as a residence.

To say nothing of the properties that have been given over to full-time Airbnb usage, New York is full to bursting with condos that lie vacant because they exist only as offshore real estate investments or outright money laundering. If San Francisco threw itself to the mercy of the free market, going cow-wild (not hog, they have a Cow Palace) and throwing up highrise condos everywhere, why would I believe this would adequately address a housing shortage and not result in more dwellings that no one lives in nor will ever live in?

As San Francisco becomes (or has become) Pacific Manhattan, the same would happen there but with The Goddamn Chinese laundering money instead of Russians, Arabs, etc.

Can we build up Oakland instead? Hold up your right hand, San Francisco is your thumbnail. There's nowhere left to build. A tech job in the South Bay should not entitle you to Adult Theme Park life in the (tiny) big city.