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I don't want to see her lose her job for her comments about the Bushes. I would, however, like to see her lose her job for her embarrassing, Goff-esque "Sweetie, I work as a tenured professor. I make 100K a year doing that. I will never be fired." comment. Her posting the phone number for a crisis hotline at Arizona State University and claiming it was her number was a classy move. :roll:

If people who make sizable donations to the school decide to no longer make those donations her job might not be as secure as she thinks.

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A petition to fire the Fresno State professor who called the late Barbara Bush “an amazing racist” has attracted over 10,000 signatures as of Tuesday morning.

The appeal calls upon California State University, Fresno to terminate the employment of English professor Randa Jarrar for comments she made about Bush shortly after her death.

“Immediate termination of Professor Randa Jarrar for racism and inflammatory comments regarding a former First Lady of the United States, Barbara Bush,” the petition reads.

Jarrar has come under fire after calling Bush “an amazing racist” and said she was happy that “the witch is dead,” just hours after she died.

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The professor, who’s currently subject to an internal university investigation and on leave for the semester, also boasted that she can’t be fired because she’s a tenured professor.

“I work as a tenured professor. I make 100K a year doing that. I will never be fired. I will always have people wanting to hear what I have to say,” she wrote on Twitter.

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Jarrar also drew the ire of people for posting a phone number for a crisis hotline at Arizona State University, falsely claiming that’s her number. The hotline, normally receives just a few calls per week, was flooded with calls.

The controversy over the professor’s remarks prompted some donors to the university to consider pulling out financial support if Jarrar isn’t removed from the position.

Ed Dunkel Jr., who made sizable financial contributions to Fresno State, said he will await the outcome of the controversy before deciding whether to close his checkbook.

“I have a lot of friends that I've been talking to, and these are people who donate now and talking about holding back, and some are even questioning whether to send their kids to Fresno State," Dunkel told the Fresno Bee.

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But while Fresno State leadership has condemned Jarrar for her comments about Bush, she received backing from advocacy groups, saying her speech was protected under the First Amendment.

“Jarrar’s tweets are unquestionably protected speech under the First Amendment and Fresno State has no power to censor, punish, or terminate Jarrar for them,” Adam Steinbaugh, senior program officer for FIRE (Foundation for Individual Rights in Education), said in a statement to Fox News.

The embattled professor was also applauded at a literary festival she was forced to withdraw from amid the controversy.


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She sounds like she is giving off warning signs.

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I would love to go into her classroom and shit on the Quran right in front of her.


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Her comments re Barbara Bush are not fireable (nor should they be), but her sending out a suicide hotline number as her own and causing it to crash for 2 days possibly is.

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We use to put people like this in the stockades and let others throw dog shit at them. We need to get back to that

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hard to believe it took a week for someone to post this.

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hard to believe it took a week for someone to post this.

Probably because those of us who say we support free speech actually support free speech and thus aren't calling for her to be fired.

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People are forgetting the basic principle. The Constitution and the amendments are there to protect the citizens from the govt. Freedom of speech on matters in terms of govt,not in terms of employment and personal matters.

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People are forgetting the basic principle. The Constitution and the amendments are there to protect the citizens from the govt. Freedom of speech on matters in terms of govt,not in terms of employment and personal matters.

This sounds like the idiotic shit Julie says when she tries to get people fired. :roll:

Free speech as a principle must extend further than just protection from the government.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
chaspoppcap wrote:
People are forgetting the basic principle. The Constitution and the amendments are there to protect the citizens from the govt. Freedom of speech on matters in terms of govt,not in terms of employment and personal matters.

This sounds like the idiotic shit Julie says when she tries to get people fired. :roll:

Free speech as a principle must extend further than just protection from the government.

Ain't that the truth.


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They unearthed a bunch of older tweets of hers too , not surprisingly of the F white people variety that I’m sure a lot of alums who donate a lot of money to Fresno St won’t want her teaching their white children .

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
hard to believe it took a week for someone to post this.

Probably because those of us who say we support free speech actually support free speech and thus aren't calling for her to be fired.


Doesn't mean we can't make fun of an idiot.

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Hatchetman wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
hard to believe it took a week for someone to post this.

Probably because those of us who say we support free speech actually support free speech and thus aren't calling for her to be fired.


Doesn't mean we can't make fun of an idiot.

absolutely, make fun of her as she invites it. I just won't join the chorus of those calling for her job over her views.

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Her comments re Barbara Bush are not fireable (nor should they be), but her sending out a suicide hotline number as her own and causing it to crash for 2 days possibly is.


This.

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Regular Reader wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Her comments re Barbara Bush are not fireable (nor should they be), but her sending out a suicide hotline number as her own and causing it to crash for 2 days possibly is.


This.


In the end, this was probably more about her 1) making herself a martyr and 2) getting some attention. This could lead to many, many speaking gigs for her.

The willful lack of nuance from a woman of letters scares the shit out of me--but the fact that we can respond reassures me somewhat. But still--nuance. That's what smart people do.


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tommy wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Her comments re Barbara Bush are not fireable (nor should they be), but her sending out a suicide hotline number as her own and causing it to crash for 2 days possibly is.


This.


In the end, this was probably more about her 1) making herself a martyr and 2) getting some attention. This could lead to many, many speaking gigs for her.

The willful lack of nuance from a woman of letters scares the shit out of me--but the fact that we can respond reassures me somewhat. But still--nuance. That's what smart people do.


You put it better. I just have no use for her potential malice, nor unfunny efforts. :D

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Her comments re Barbara Bush are not fireable (nor should they be), but her sending out a suicide hotline number as her own and causing it to crash for 2 days possibly is.


If a donor pulls their big money regular donations because of the Bush comments (or backlash to them), there is a legitimate question as to whether her statements impacted the ability of the institution to perform its function, which would legitimize her ouster without raising first amendment concerns.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Her comments re Barbara Bush are not fireable (nor should they be), but her sending out a suicide hotline number as her own and causing it to crash for 2 days possibly is.


If a donor pulls their big money regular donations because of the Bush comments (or backlash to them), there is a legitimate question as to whether her statements impacted the ability of the institution to perform its function, which would legitimize her ouster without raising first amendment concerns.

If you're going to call for the firing of someone over their views, you're going to have to enter JDC territory.

This is just another facet of the "boycott" culture. You're really no better than that piece of shit David Hogg if you're going to enter that realm.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Her comments re Barbara Bush are not fireable (nor should they be), but her sending out a suicide hotline number as her own and causing it to crash for 2 days possibly is.


If a donor pulls their big money regular donations because of the Bush comments (or backlash to them), there is a legitimate question as to whether her statements impacted the ability of the institution to perform its function, which would legitimize her ouster without raising first amendment concerns.

If you're going to call for the firing of someone over their views, you're going to have to enter JDC territory.

This is just another facet of the "boycott" culture. You're really no better than that piece of shit David Hogg if you're going to enter that realm.


Good thing that's not what I'm doing, then.


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tommy wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
chaspoppcap wrote:
People are forgetting the basic principle. The Constitution and the amendments are there to protect the citizens from the govt. Freedom of speech on matters in terms of govt,not in terms of employment and personal matters.

This sounds like the idiotic shit Julie says when she tries to get people fired. :roll:

Free speech as a principle must extend further than just protection from the government.

Ain't that the truth.


When it is convenient MANY do not want others to speak freely.

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tommy wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
chaspoppcap wrote:
People are forgetting the basic principle. The Constitution and the amendments are there to protect the citizens from the govt. Freedom of speech on matters in terms of govt,not in terms of employment and personal matters.

This sounds like the idiotic shit Julie says when she tries to get people fired. :roll:

Free speech as a principle must extend further than just protection from the government.

Ain't that the truth.


When it is convenient MANY do not want others to speak freely.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Her comments re Barbara Bush are not fireable (nor should they be), but her sending out a suicide hotline number as her own and causing it to crash for 2 days possibly is.


If a donor pulls their big money regular donations because of the Bush comments (or backlash to them), there is a legitimate question as to whether her statements impacted the ability of the institution to perform its function, which would legitimize her ouster without raising first amendment concerns.

If you're going to call for the firing of someone over their views, you're going to have to enter JDC territory.

This is just another facet of the "boycott" culture. You're really no better than that piece of shit David Hogg if you're going to enter that realm.


Good thing that's not what I'm doing, then.

Not directly, but you're getting close to that territory when you encourage donors to exert pressure in that direction. I'm proud to see organizations such as FIRE take a stand here (the late, great Dr. Milt Rosenberg was on their board). Usually they are taking the stand for conservatives on campus (as usually they are the ones being denied free speech) so it's nice to see them take an ideologically consistent stand and fight for liberal free speech as well.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Her comments re Barbara Bush are not fireable (nor should they be), but her sending out a suicide hotline number as her own and causing it to crash for 2 days possibly is.


If a donor pulls their big money regular donations because of the Bush comments (or backlash to them), there is a legitimate question as to whether her statements impacted the ability of the institution to perform its function, which would legitimize her ouster without raising first amendment concerns.

If you're going to call for the firing of someone over their views, you're going to have to enter JDC territory.

This is just another facet of the "boycott" culture. You're really no better than that piece of shit David Hogg if you're going to enter that realm.


Good thing that's not what I'm doing, then.

Not directly, but you're getting close to that territory when you encourage donors to exert pressure in that direction. I'm proud to see organizations such as FIRE take a stand here (the late, great Dr. Milt Rosenberg was on their board). Usually they are taking the stand for conservatives on campus (as usually they are the ones being denied free speech) so it's nice to see them take an ideologically consistent stand and fight for liberal free speech as well.

I'm not encouraging anything, I'm saying what she could be fired for that courts likely wouldn't see as a free speech violation by her employer (the State of California).


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Her comments re Barbara Bush are not fireable (nor should they be), but her sending out a suicide hotline number as her own and causing it to crash for 2 days possibly is.


If a donor pulls their big money regular donations because of the Bush comments (or backlash to them), there is a legitimate question as to whether her statements impacted the ability of the institution to perform its function, which would legitimize her ouster without raising first amendment concerns.

If you're going to call for the firing of someone over their views, you're going to have to enter JDC territory.

This is just another facet of the "boycott" culture. You're really no better than that piece of shit David Hogg if you're going to enter that realm.


Good thing that's not what I'm doing, then.

Not directly, but you're getting close to that territory when you encourage donors to exert pressure in that direction. I'm proud to see organizations such as FIRE take a stand here (the late, great Dr. Milt Rosenberg was on their board). Usually they are taking the stand for conservatives on campus (as usually they are the ones being denied free speech) so it's nice to see them take an ideologically consistent stand and fight for liberal free speech as well.

I'm not encouraging anything, I'm saying what she could be fired for that courts likely wouldn't see as a free speech violation by her employer (the State of California).
and even if it's legal to fire her, it would still be wrong in principle as freedom of speech means nothing if it only applies to reprisal from government. Freedom of speech must mean more than that otherwise it is meaningless.

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Why doesn't anyone understand the first amendment? It might be the most clear amendment of the whole BoR.

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Honestly tho, who really gives a fuck what this lady says?

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Honestly tho, who really gives a fuck what this lady says?

Other than wanting to keep my (hypothetical) children away from her cause she sounds like a weirdo I really dont.

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Anyone that brags they can’t be fired should be fired. Should be added corollary to 1st Amendment

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Have you ever seen this sack of shit on camera and actually talking?
She is as ugly on the outside as she apparently is on the inside.
She makes JDC seem likable by comparison.

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Doesn't look so much like a name but more so like a couple of bad grabs out of the Scrabble tile bag.

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