Seems the guns were seized because he hadn't had a valid FOID.
Bricks ridiculous trolling notwithstanding, this is a valid seizure of weapons. He had them illegally.

Seems the guns were seized because he hadn't had a valid FOID.
Bricks ridiculous trolling notwithstanding, this is a valid seizure of weapons. He had them illegally.

Seems the guns were seized because he hadn't had a valid FOID.
Bricks ridiculous trolling notwithstanding, this is a valid seizure of weapons. He had them illegally.

I think the point isn't so much that they seized his guns or whether or not they were legal, but rather that the raid was driven by politics.

How did they know he had guns in the first place?

There has to be more to the search warrant than the t shirt.

How did they know he had guns in the first place?

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives asked Vernon Hills police for help with a campus threat assessment of Jakub Zak, 19, following an anonymous tip about the teen’s interest in guns and a sighting of him at College of Lake County wearing clothing that promoted a group known as Patriot Front, according to Kim Christenson, spokesman for the Vernon Hills police department.

I think the point isn't so much that they seized his guns or whether or not they were legal, but rather that the raid was driven by politics.

I should say that I'm hoping it had more to do than just with a t shirt.
Otherwise did we open the door for a search of a home of everyone wearing s pot leaf or che Guevara shirt?

Seems reasonable.

Already backtracking after calling me a troll in the same post!

I should say that I'm hoping it had more to do than just with a t shirt.
Otherwise did we open the door for a search of a home of everyone wearing s pot leaf or che Guevara shirt?

Very much so. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes, and this kid did.

Its tricky. I'm having a hard time believing that the batf was interested in someone due to a tshirt. He had illegal weapons. They should have been seized based on his lack of credentials. Now your trolling was about the NRA and you know that.

Police - Step 1: we received a tip about a guy who is a white supremacist and is really interested in guns. Let's take 30 minutes to do a quick background check given our fellow police officers in Parkland got shit on for ignoring "warning signs".

Police - Step 2: Let's check if he has a FOID card!
a. Yes, OK well we will move on. There is nothing illegal going on. Kid likes guns and hates balcks.
b. No, OK he is breaking the law. We are going to take his guns.

Onto the next case.

You would like to think that this is the case, but given what we have read about police over the last few years, and what we have seen from a former cop who posts here, its almost hard to give the Vernon Hills PD the benefit of the doubt and assume this common sense check actually happened.

it's vernon hills. they're probably excited to take a break from giving speeding tickets on milwaukee or do another domestic disturbance visit b/c mr. jones is on his 4th scotch and mrs. jones is on her 3rd oxy wine cocktail.

Seems reasonable.

"liking guns" and "wearing a t-shirt promoting a naughty group" are not reasonable foundations for a search warrant.

Yes, my thoughts would he the same if the shirt was promoting ISIS.

"liking guns" and "wearing a t-shirt promoting a naughty group" are not reasonable foundations for a search warrant.

Yes, my thoughts would he the same if the shirt was promoting ISIS.

Oooooor liklier the much simpler explanation.

Police - Step 1: we received a tip about a guy who is a white supremacist and is really interested in guns. Let's take 30 minutes to do a quick background check given our fellow police officers in Parkland got shit on for ignoring "warning signs".

Police - Step 2: Let's check if he has a FOID card!
a. Yes, OK well we will move on. There is nothing illegal going on. Kid likes guns and hates balcks.
b. No, OK he is breaking the law. We are going to take his guns.

Onto the next case.

you do not know what the foundation for the search warrant was

To the best of my knowledge, the two primary ways to solve the gun issue according to the NRA:
1) Add significantly more guns to the situation.
2) Have law enforcement catch bad people with guns prior to the act based on the clear warning signs that are almost always present after the fact.

That is what happened here.

You need a FOID card to be "really interested in guns"? In none of the reporting posted here has it been said that the anonymous tip said the kid possessed firearms.