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Author:  Ogie Oglethorpe [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:48 am ]
Post subject:  Medicare for all
It would cost $32.6 trillion over 10 years...

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory ... n-56906940

You can attack the source of the study all you want, but this hardly deviates from what other studies on the subject have found.

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Here are my 2 favorite snippets paired together

"Responding to the study, Sanders took aim at the Mercatus Center, which receives funding from the conservative Koch brothers. Koch Industries CEO Charles Koch is on the center's board."

"Sanders' office has not done a cost analysis, a spokesman said. However, the Mercatus estimates are within the range of other cost projections for Sanders' 2016 plan."

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Have to love Bernie there, attack the study while not having performed a similar one despite this having been part of his platform, then ignore the fact that the study he attacks is in line with every other study on the subject.
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Medicare for all
So what?

Spend the money!
Author:  Ogie Oglethorpe [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Medicare for all
Terry's Peeps wrote:
So what?

Spend the money!

Make the US Greece again!
Author:  jimmypasta [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Medicare for all
Terry's Peeps wrote:
So what?

Spend the money!


We need to save it for Trump's Space Academy.
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Medicare for all
Cut 32.6 Trillion over the next 10 years in military spending.

Boom. Done.

Next problem.
Author:  denisdman [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Medicare for all
There are no easy answers to this. The fact remains that as a country we spend about twice as much as a percentage of GDP as countries with single payor systems. And by most measures, we get worse outcomes. Then if you do Medicare for all, you will underpay providers vs what they get today from private payors. I am not sure the current construct of hospitals and doctors groups could operate at Medicare reimbursement rates. The private payors are subsidizing government care right now.

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"Wonder why some doctors grumble when a Medicare patient walks in the door? It's likely because the government program typically pays only 80% of what private insurers do."
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Medicare for all
Yep. It's all a big racket.
Author:  Ogie Oglethorpe [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Medicare for all
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Cut 32.6 Trillion over the next 10 years in military spending.

Boom. Done.

Next problem.

The problem with that is the total US military spending over that same 10 year period would be projected at $7 trillion (Trump proposes about $700 billion per year) so even if you cut the US military budget to $0 you then run a $25 trillion plus deficit on this program alone.

Yes we should cut military spending, I'd argue even 50%, but no cuts to it will come close to funding this program.
Author:  ToxicMasculinity [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Medicare for all
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Yep. It's all a big racket.


It's all a problem *John Fox voice*
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Medicare for all
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Cut 32.6 Trillion over the next 10 years in military spending.

Boom. Done.

Next problem.

The problem with that is the total US military spending over that same 10 year period would be projected at $7 trillion (Trump proposes about $700 billion per year) so even if you cut the US military budget to $0 you then run a $25 trillion plus deficit on this program alone.

Yes we should cut military spending some, but no cuts to it will come close to funding this program.


Thanks.
Author:  Jaw Breaker [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Medicare for all
These studies often say that Medicare would save on administrative costs compared to that of private insurance, but the problem with reduced oversight is that fraud goes through the roof. Insurance companies are often accused of being a pain in the ass, but part of that scrutiny is to guard against fraud.
Author:  denisdman [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Medicare for all
Jaw Breaker wrote:
These studies often say that Medicare would save on administrative costs compared to that of private insurance, but the problem with reduced oversight is that fraud goes through the roof. Insurance companies are often accused of being a pain in the ass, but part of that scrutiny is to guard against fraud.


The rest of the world is getting a free rider benefit. Certainly that is the case for pharm medicines. We have unregulated prices, which allows companies to recover the R&D costs to develop drugs. The rest of the world holds those costs down. Then you take the cost to become a doctor. We already have a primary physician shortage that would be made much worse if you took away 20% of their income.
Author:  America [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Medicare for all
Medicare for all who:
-Have not a cigarette in the last 5 years
-Can pass a scrutinous drug test (weed would not be disqualifying)
-Have not had more than one DUI, and that one DUI was not in the last 5 years
-Are not obese

Then I'm for it. Until then I want no part of paying for lazy, unhealthy Americans to die a slow expensive death as a result of their poisonous lifestyle.

Universal healthcare cannont work in a country as obese as the USA.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Medicare for all
America wrote:
Medicare for all who:
-Have not a cigarette in the last 5 years
-Can pass a scrutinous drug test (weed would not be disqualifying)
-Have not had more than one DUI, and that one DUI was not in the last 5 years
-Are not obese

Then I'm for it. Until then I want no part of paying for lazy, unhealthy Americans to die a slow expensive death as a result of their poisonous lifestyle.

Universal healthcare cannont work in a country as obese as the USA.

Can a smoker quit and get it in 5 years or are they banned for life?
Author:  America [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Medicare for all
Honestly you'd probably just have to test for nicotine levels. There's no way to go back that far.
Author:  Don Tiny [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Medicare for all
America wrote:
Medicare for all who:
-Have not a cigarette in the last 5 years
-Can pass a scrutinous drug test (weed would not be disqualifying)
-Have not had more than one DUI, and that one DUI was not in the last 5 years
-Are not obese

Then I'm for it. Until then I want no part of paying for lazy, unhealthy Americans to die a slow expensive death as a result of their poisonous lifestyle.

Universal healthcare cannont work in a country as obese as the USA.


What are you paying exactly? Aren't you the dope who claims he's in France? It's probably more like Paris, IL.
Author:  Caller Bob [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Medicare for all
Somewhere between Bernie's proposal and Ogie's platform of "let everyone" die, there has to be a better solution. I would like to see "for profit" insurance providers eliminated.
Author:  America [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Medicare for all
Don Tiny wrote:
America wrote:
Medicare for all who:
-Have not a cigarette in the last 5 years
-Can pass a scrutinous drug test (weed would not be disqualifying)
-Have not had more than one DUI, and that one DUI was not in the last 5 years
-Are not obese

Then I'm for it. Until then I want no part of paying for lazy, unhealthy Americans to die a slow expensive death as a result of their poisonous lifestyle.

Universal healthcare cannont work in a country as obese as the USA.


What are you paying exactly? Aren't you the dope who claims he's in France? It's probably more like Paris, IL.

I would pay to just take your obese waste-of-space self behind the shed. Ammo is way cheaper than what it's going to cost for you to die your long slow and expensive death.
Author:  Chet Coppock's Fur Coat [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Medicare for all
America wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
America wrote:
Medicare for all who:
-Have not a cigarette in the last 5 years
-Can pass a scrutinous drug test (weed would not be disqualifying)
-Have not had more than one DUI, and that one DUI was not in the last 5 years
-Are not obese

Then I'm for it. Until then I want no part of paying for lazy, unhealthy Americans to die a slow expensive death as a result of their poisonous lifestyle.

Universal healthcare cannont work in a country as obese as the USA.


What are you paying exactly? Aren't you the dope who claims he's in France? It's probably more like Paris, IL.

I would pay to just take your obese waste-of-space self behind the shed. Ammo is way cheaper than what it's going to cost for you to die your long slow and expensive death.

With appropriate respect, fuck you and the French horse you rode in on.
Author:  America [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Medicare for all
If you make terrible decisions you should be responsible for them yourself. If you're not a position to take that responsibility then you should be left to your fate.
Author:  Chet Coppock's Fur Coat [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Medicare for all
America wrote:
If you make terrible decisions you should be responsible for them yourself. If you're not a position to take that responsibility then you should be left to your fate.

Your parents made a terrible decision by not aborting you.

There are several genetic conditions which lead to obesity as a side effect regardless of treatment regimen or discipline. Many involve the need for steroids to deal with other conditions - the prime example was Jerry Lewis in his late 70s when he gained something like 90 pounds.
Author:  ToxicMasculinity [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Medicare for all
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
America wrote:
If you make terrible decisions you should be responsible for them yourself. If you're not a position to take that responsibility then you should be left to your fate.

Your parents made a terrible decision by not aborting you.

There are several genetic conditions which lead to obesity as a side effect regardless of treatment regimen or discipline. Many involve the need for steroids to deal with other conditions - the prime example was Jerry Lewis in his late 70s when he gained something like 90 pounds.



Muh thyroid conditions. Lulz.

America is right.
Author:  Don Tiny [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Medicare for all
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
America wrote:
If you make terrible decisions you should be responsible for them yourself. If you're not a position to take that responsibility then you should be left to your fate.

Your parents made a terrible decision by not aborting you.


:lol: I'll drink to that.
Author:  Caller Bob [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Medicare for all
Laziness can be a genetic condition, I guess.
Author:  sjboyd0137 [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Medicare for all
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
America wrote:
If you make terrible decisions you should be responsible for them yourself. If you're not a position to take that responsibility then you should be left to your fate.

Your parents made a terrible decision by not aborting you.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Author:  Cheap Charlie [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Medicare for all
Caller Bob wrote:
Laziness can be a genetic condition, I guess.

You GUESS? lolololo
You living it, bru.


"lolololo"-[deleted]
"fuck off mult"-el [pendejo
Author:  America [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Medicare for all
Again, pay for it yourself or find an employer who can. I'm willing to make exceptions for war veterans, public servants (cops, firemen, teachers) and other groups.
Author:  RFDC [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Medicare for all
If that is the estimate for cost you can pretty much know it will be double that
Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Medicare for all
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Cut 32.6 Trillion over the next 10 years in military spending.

Boom. Done.

Next problem.

The problem with that is the total US military spending over that same 10 year period would be projected at $7 trillion (Trump proposes about $700 billion per year) so even if you cut the US military budget to $0 you then run a $25 trillion plus deficit on this program alone.

Yes we should cut military spending some, but no cuts to it will come close to funding this program.


Thanks.


The military spending budget, and what the military spending actually is are two different things. How many trillions have fallen through the cracks of the Pentagon between the Manhattan Project and now?
Author:  America [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Medicare for all
How about we keep military spending the same and just use the military to kill all the fatties
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