| Chicago Fanatics Message Board https://mail.chicagofanatics.com/ |
|
| Stand Your Ground law https://mail.chicagofanatics.com/viewtopic.php?f=75&t=113598 |
Page 1 of 2 |
| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Stand Your Ground law |
Dumb. Sheriff says he made 'correct' decision in Florida 'stand your ground' shooting of unarmed man By BILL HUTCHINSON Jul 31, 2018, 1:34 PM ET PHOTO: In this Thursday, July 19, 2018 image taken from surveillance video released by the Pinellas County Sheriffs Office, Markeis McGlockton, far left, is shot by Michael Drejka during an altercation in a parking lot in Clearwater, Fla.Pinellas County Sheriff's Office via AP WATCHSheriff says he made 'correct' decision in Florida 'stand your ground' shooting The Florida sheriff who declined to arrest a white man who invoked the "stand your ground" law after shooting a black man in a parking dispute said Tuesday that he made the "correct" decision. Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri said at a news conference that he sticks by his decision not to arrest Michael Drejka, 47, in the shooting death of Markeis McGlockton, 28, in Clearwater, Florida. PHOTO: Brittany Jacobs touches photo of her boyfriend, Markeis McGlockton, during a press conference on July 24, 2018 in Clearwater, Fla.WFTS-TV Brittany Jacobs touches photo of her boyfriend, Markeis McGlockton, during a press conference on July 24, 2018 in Clearwater, Fla. "A lot of things have been said since this incident happened on July 19," Gualtieri said. "A whole bunch of people offered a whole bunch of different opinions. And I'd suggest to you that the mere fact that so many people have so many different opinions validates that the decision not to arrest Drejka in this stage is correct under the law." Gualtieri said the investigation of the shooting is ongoing and the final decision on whether charges against Drejka are warranted will be up to Bernie McCabe, the Pinellas County state attorney. "We have not turned the case over to the state attorney's office but we anticipate doing so shortly," Gualtieri said. "This is a very long route on a path and this was the first stop on that route. So just picture a bus route with a bunch of different stops and this was the first stop. This is not the final stop." PHOTO: In this Thursday, July 19, 2018 image taken from surveillance video released by the Pinellas County Sheriffs Office, Markeis McGlockton, far left, is shot by Michael Drejka during an altercation in a parking lot in Clearwater, Fla.Pinellas County Sheriffs Office via AP In this Thursday, July 19, 2018 image taken from surveillance video released by the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office, Markeis McGlockton, far left, is shot by Michael Drejka during an altercation in a parking lot in Clearwater, Fla.more + The sheriff said he was initially supposed to be joined by members of the Upper Pinellas County NAACP and the Upper Pinellas County Ministerial Alliance but both groups canceled on him a half hour before the press conference. McGlockton was shot on July 19 after he came out of a convenience store and saw Drejka berating his girlfriend, Britnay Jacobs, about parking in a handicap zone. Surveillance video showed McGlockton shoving Drejka to the ground and Drejka, who had a legal concealed weapons permit, pulling a handgun and shooting McGlockton. Attorneys for Jacobs, the mother of McGlockton's three young children and McGlockton's parents have held several press conferences to say they do not believe Drejka should have been given immunity from arrest under "stand your ground." PHOTO: A photo of shooting victim Markeis McGlockton is shown at a press conference held by his family on July 24, 2018 in Clearwater, Fla.WFTS-TV A photo of shooting victim Markeis McGlockton is shown at a press conference held by his family on July 24, 2018 in Clearwater, Fla. "You can't start a confrontation and kill somebody and say, 'Oh, I was just standing my ground,'" Jacobs attorney, Benjamin Crump, said at a press conference on Thursday. Michele Rayner, an attorney representing McGlockton's parents, added that the "stand your ground" statute requires the existence of a "reasonable fear that you are in imminent danger of losing your life or [suffering] great bodily injury." They pointed out that the video shows McGlockton retreating from Drejka after he pushed the man down in an effort to protect Jacobs and his children. "It took four seconds for Mr. Drejka to make that decision, the conscious decision to murder Markeis McGlockton," Rayner said as she dramatically counted off four seconds. But Gualtieri said the statute also reads that someone is "immune from arrest if their conduct is arguably within the parameters of 'stand your ground.'" PHOTO: Monica Moore, the mother of Markeis McGlockton, is comforted by family attorney Michele Rayner during a press conference on July 24, 2018 in Clearwater, Fla.WFTS-TV Monica Moore, the mother of Markeis McGlockton, is comforted by family attorney Michele Rayner during a press conference on July 24, 2018 in Clearwater, Fla.more + "The law has taken away law enforcement discretion to arrest unless there is no 'stand your ground' as a matter of law," Gualtieri said. "To arrest, it must be so clear that as a matter of law 'stand your ground' does not apply in any way to the facts and circumstances that you're presented with. That is not the situation here. The facts are not so clear that this is absolutely outside the boundaries of 'stand your ground.'" He continued, "So my decision not to arrest is merely doing what Florida law compels: Don't leave somebody sitting in jail who claims they acted in self-defense while the state attorney figures it out and makes his decision, which could take weeks or months." PHOTO: In this Sunday, July 22, 2018 photo, family, friends and demonstrators gather in a parking lot in Clearwater, Fla., where Markeis McGlockton, 28, was shot and killed in an altercation.Luis Santana/Tampa Bay Times via AP In this Sunday, July 22, 2018 photo, family, friends and demonstrators gather in a parking lot in Clearwater, Fla., where Markeis McGlockton, 28, was shot and killed in an altercation.more + (MORE: Lawyer for family of man shot in parking place dispute calls on Florida lawmakers to change 'stand your ground' law) He said people questioning his decision are apparently stating opinions based on one version of the surveillance video that captured the shooting. "Accurate facts matter and all the evidence must be fully considered in any case, but especially in a case like this before anyone forms a final opinion," Gualtieri said. "That includes opinions formed based on camera angles without the benefit of witness statements." (MORE: Family of Florida man fatally shot contends gunman can't 'hide' behind Stand Your Ground law) While he said there is only one video, he has viewed it slowed down, enhanced and blown up. "Remember you all don't have all of the facts and have not seen all of the evidence because it is an ongoing investigation," the sheriff said. "I've seen the evidence." (MORE: 'Stand Your Ground' laws under scrutiny again after man gunned down in parking lot) He added, "I don't make the law and I do not do what people want because of outrage. If you're outraged by the law and don't like the law then change it. But until then, we follow it as written and interpreted by the courts." |
|
| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stand Your Ground law |
Ahh good, a distraction from the Clearing the Air thread. |
|
| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stand Your Ground law |
SpiralStairs wrote: Ahh good, a distraction from the Clearing the Air thread. Right. But it really is stupid. Store owner has said this guy previously threatened to shoot other people who parked there. Seems like a guy who maybe shouldn't have a gun. |
|
| Author: | denisdman [ Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stand Your Ground law |
Let's see how many dumb things people can do ( in order of stupidity most to least) 1) Shoot a person walking away from you, 2) Shove a person to the ground in an argument, 3) Park in a handicap spot when you don't need to (I am assuming this is the case, though I may be wrong), 4) Yell at someone who parks in a handicap spot as to cause a confrontation. I am ok with the sheriff's explanation. The AG can decide if the guy should be charged with a crime. But some may add that to my list above. |
|
| Author: | America [ Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stand Your Ground law |
This country is f u c k e d |
|
| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stand Your Ground law |
denisdman wrote: Let's see how many dumb things people can do ( in order of stupidity most to least) 1) Shoot a person walking away from you, 2) Shove a person to the ground in an argument, 3) Park in a handicap spot when you don't need to (I am assuming this is the case, though I may be wrong), 4) Yell at someone who parks in a handicap spot as to cause a confrontation. I am ok with the sheriff's explanation. The AG can decide if the guy should be charged with a crime. But some may add that to my list above. I mean, #2 needs a little context. You come out of a store to see some stranger screaming at your wife/gf. #4 should be #2 But yea, the sheriff is correct. It's not his job to fix the stupid fucking law. |
|
| Author: | America [ Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stand Your Ground law |
Oh I'm sure the girlfriend just said "oh excuse us, really am sorry". |
|
| Author: | denisdman [ Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stand Your Ground law |
rogers park bryan wrote: denisdman wrote: Let's see how many dumb things people can do ( in order of stupidity most to least) 1) Shoot a person walking away from you, 2) Shove a person to the ground in an argument, 3) Park in a handicap spot when you don't need to (I am assuming this is the case, though I may be wrong), 4) Yell at someone who parks in a handicap spot as to cause a confrontation. I am ok with the sheriff's explanation. The AG can decide if the guy should be charged with a crime. But some may add that to my list above. I mean, #2 needs a little context. You come out of a store to see some stranger screaming at your wife/gf. #4 should be #2 But yea, the sheriff is correct. It's not his job to fix the stupid fucking law. Physical vs. verbal confrontation is worse to me, but then, the verbal came first. You won't get much argument from me. My point, a lot of DB activities going on. |
|
| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stand Your Ground law |
Bad law. Needs fixing. NO ACTIVIST JUDGES! |
|
| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stand Your Ground law |
America wrote: Oh I'm sure the girlfriend just said "oh excuse us, really am sorry". I don't know what she said, but if you came out of a store to see your boyfriend being screamed at you might not have the most calm and measured reaction, that is all I'm saying. |
|
| Author: | America [ Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stand Your Ground law |
My guess is everyone involved is pretty retarded and the only real tragedy here is that they couldn't all remove each other from the gene pool. |
|
| Author: | leashyourkids [ Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stand Your Ground law |
Not touching this one. |
|
| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stand Your Ground law |
America wrote: My guess is everyone involved is pretty retarded and the only real tragedy here is that they couldn't all remove each other from the gene pool. No joke, the shooter looks....off. Not sure if it's just crossed eyes or something more. Anyway, the law is stupid and will continue to lead to this kind of thing where a person who starts the confrontation ends up using this bullshit as a justification. Also, the guy had 3 kids. That sucks. |
|
| Author: | 312player [ Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stand Your Ground law |
Terry's Peeps wrote: Bad law. Needs fixing. NO ACTIVIST JUDGES! Awful law..it basically emboldens pussies to look for confrontations and shoot somebody because they are weak and can't fight. |
|
| Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stand Your Ground law |
This is a very strange place in the country. Weird violence happens all the time there. A few years back a guy threw his 5-year-old daughter from his moving car off a bridge near there. I think these guys see stuff everyday that desensitizes them to violence. |
|
| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stand Your Ground law |
312player wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: Bad law. Needs fixing. NO ACTIVIST JUDGES! Awful law..it basically emboldens pussies to look for confrontations and shoot somebody because they are weak and can't fight. BIBGO |
|
| Author: | Ogie Oglethorpe [ Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stand Your Ground law |
The NRA is criticizing the application of Stand Your Ground here: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/31/us/s ... w-nra.html I saw the video and don't know how any one could conclude that's an appropriate case for Stand Your Ground. |
|
| Author: | leashyourkids [ Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stand Your Ground law |
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: This is a very strange place in the country. Weird violence happens all the time there. A few years back a guy threw his 5-year-old daughter from his moving car off a bridge near there. I think these guys see stuff everyday that desensitizes them to violence. Isn't Florida where thay meth addicted psycopath ripped her daughters arms and legs off? |
|
| Author: | pittmike [ Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stand Your Ground law |
Why was the guy so pissed about them being in that handicapped spot? |
|
| Author: | badrogue17 [ Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stand Your Ground law |
ITS JUST AN EXCUSE FOR PEOPLE TO GET AWAY WITH SHOOTING BLACK MEN!! |
|
| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stand Your Ground law |
leashyourkids wrote: WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: This is a very strange place in the country. Weird violence happens all the time there. A few years back a guy threw his 5-year-old daughter from his moving car off a bridge near there. I think these guys see stuff everyday that desensitizes them to violence. Isn't Florida where thay meth addicted psycopath ripped her daughters arms and legs off? 
|
|
| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stand Your Ground law |
Stand Your Ground sounds like a Steven Seagal movie title. |
|
| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stand Your Ground law |
badrogue17 wrote: ITS JUST AN EXCUSE FOR PEOPLE TO GET AWAY WITH SHOOTING BLACK MEN!! Triggered. Putting aside color/race etc, it's a bad law no matter what. |
|
| Author: | denisdman [ Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stand Your Ground law |
leashyourkids wrote: Not touching this one. leashyourkids wrote: Confrontation is okay, denis. Change your mind yet? |
|
| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stand Your Ground law |
denisdman wrote: leashyourkids wrote: Not touching this one. leashyourkids wrote: Confrontation is okay, denis. Change your mind yet? Damn, Denis straight telling Leash to back the fuck up with that bullshit. Will LYK stand HIS ground? |
|
| Author: | badrogue17 [ Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stand Your Ground law |
rogers park bryan wrote: badrogue17 wrote: ITS JUST AN EXCUSE FOR PEOPLE TO GET AWAY WITH SHOOTING BLACK MEN!! Triggered. Putting aside color/race etc, it's a bad law no matter what. Just thought Id cut to the inevitable chase |
|
| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stand Your Ground law |
badrogue17 wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: badrogue17 wrote: ITS JUST AN EXCUSE FOR PEOPLE TO GET AWAY WITH SHOOTING BLACK MEN!! Triggered. Putting aside color/race etc, it's a bad law no matter what. Just thought Id cut to the inevitable chase No, that's not the chase here. If someone makes that case, I would say that even bringing race into it hurts the overall cause. It's just a stupid fuckin law for wannabe cops. |
|
| Author: | pittmike [ Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stand Your Ground law |
NRA saying it is not the law but the sheriff not applying it right. |
|
| Author: | leashyourkids [ Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stand Your Ground law |
rogers park bryan wrote: badrogue17 wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: badrogue17 wrote: ITS JUST AN EXCUSE FOR PEOPLE TO GET AWAY WITH SHOOTING BLACK MEN!! Triggered. Putting aside color/race etc, it's a bad law no matter what. Just thought Id cut to the inevitable chase No, that's not the chase here. If someone makes that case, I would say that even bringing race into it hurts the overall cause. It's just a stupid fuckin law for wannabe cops. Agreed, but the article you posted does just that. |
|
| Author: | leashyourkids [ Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stand Your Ground law |
denisdman wrote: leashyourkids wrote: Not touching this one. leashyourkids wrote: Confrontation is okay, denis. Change your mind yet? No. Stop being a pussy. |
|
| Page 1 of 2 | All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ] |
| Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group https://www.phpbb.com/ |
|