Watch Isola stop his sentence mid thought after Wilbon says Degrom just has to "hang tough"....
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| Author: | Jbi11s [ Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Mike Wilbon |
Hilariously bad takes on the Jacob Degrom's Cy Young... The YouTube link is classic get off my lawn rhetoric: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eQYWMnWqIYk The tweet is from yesterday's PTI: The Lebatard show has been playing audio from the first link, and Wilbon became a little annoyed with it yesterday. Went in on Stugotz. Wilbon has been drowning in his own ego for years, and I think the realization of how small a number of people still take him serious is setting in. |
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| Author: | Tad Queasy [ Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Wilbon |
Jbi11s wrote: Hilariously bad takes on... You could have said anything after that and you would have been correct. I PTFB now when he's on Waddle and Silvy, but when I have heard him in the past you could tell W & S were often biting their tongues. He claims to be a fan of the Bears and the Cubs but many of the things he's said make it clear he doesn't follow them very closely. Jbi11s wrote: Wilbon has been drowning in his own ego for years. Yup. By the way, do you know where he's from? I don't think he's ever mentioned it before. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Wilbon |
Did he go to school here or something? |
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| Author: | leashyourkids [ Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Wilbon |
He's from CHICAGO, guys! |
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| Author: | leashyourkids [ Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Wilbon |
He knows EARVIN Johnson very well! |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Wilbon |
Lifetime DB for him but he's right here. Blind squirrel getting a nut. |
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| Author: | Jbi11s [ Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Wilbon |
Watch Isola stop his sentence mid thought after Wilbon says Degrom just has to "hang tough"....
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| Author: | Furious Styles [ Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Wilbon |
Kornheiser is a treasure. Wilbon is a nightmare. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Wilbon |
He's right. Analytics are ruining baseball. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Wilbon |
Jbi11s wrote: Hilariously bad takes on the Jacob Degrom's Cy Young... The YouTube link is classic get off my lawn rhetoric: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eQYWMnWqIYk The tweet is from yesterday's PTI: The Lebatard show has been playing audio from the first link, and Wilbon became a little annoyed with it yesterday. Went in on Stugotz. Wilbon has been drowning in his own ego for years, and I think the realization of how small a number of people still take him serious is setting in. Let me guess. His "bad take" is that a guy who didn't pitch as well as the other starter in the games he pitched about half the time doesn't deserve an award. Do I have that right? |
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| Author: | Jbi11s [ Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Wilbon |
The clips are almost 3 minutes long combined. Let us know what you think JoRR. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Wilbon |
Wolfpack strong, nomination denied |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Wilbon |
Frank Coztansa wrote: He's right. Analytics are ruining baseball. Just a ridiculous thought. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Wilbon |
rogers park bryan wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: He's right. Analytics are ruining baseball. Just a terrific thought. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Wilbon |
rogers park bryan wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: He's right. Analytics are ruining baseball. Just a ridiculous thought. Not at all. It's a pretty widely held belief and it's not invalid. I'd say it's comparable to those who say three point shooting is ruining the NBA. I don't agree but I recognize it's a valid take. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Wilbon |
Couldn't/shouldn't the Cy Young be based on which pitcher you would most like to have pitching on your team? Replace David Price with deGrom on the Red Sox and Boston wins 20 extra games. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Wilbon |
FavreFan wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: He's right. Analytics are ruining baseball. Just a ridiculous thought. Not at all. It's a pretty widely held belief and it's not invalid. I'd say it's comparable to those who say three point shooting is ruining the NBA. I don't agree but I recognize it's a valid take. It's absolutely ridiculous regardless of how many believe it. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Wilbon |
rogers park bryan wrote: FavreFan wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: He's right. Analytics are ruining baseball. Just a ridiculous thought. Not at all. It's a pretty widely held belief and it's not invalid. I'd say it's comparable to those who say three point shooting is ruining the NBA. I don't agree but I recognize it's a valid take. It's absolutely ridiculous regardless of how many believe it. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Wilbon |
Okay, I watched. And it was exactly what I thought. Just a guy who understands the object of the game and what a pitcher is attempting to achieve. Look, a batter comes to the plate 4-5 times per game. And it's real simple. He's trying to get on base most of the time (except in those instances where he has been foolishly ordered to sacrifice bunt). But it's different for a starting pitcher. He's pitching a game. (Admittedly, he is now not expected to actually pitch a game, but for most of baseball history my statement is true.) The object isn't to "dominate", to strike every batter out, or even to "prevent runs". And that's where the disconnect comes in when giving accolades to someone like deGrom who actually failed to achieve his goal about half the time. Here's an analogy. Bernstein clearly understands that there are times in a season when an NBA coach needs to "know when to lose a game". I've heard him express that thought. So I don't know why it's so difficult for him and those like him to grasp that a starting pitcher needs to know when to surrender to a batter, or when it's not devastating to allow a run(s). There is a larger goal in mind. Or at least there should be. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Wilbon |
SpiralStairs wrote: Couldn't/shouldn't the Cy Young be based on which pitcher you would most like to have pitching on your team? Replace David Price with deGrom on the Red Sox and Boston wins 20 extra games. Not a chance. Boston won about as many games as they could have regardless of whether they had four Jake deGroms. |
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| Author: | W_Z [ Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Wilbon |
The Cy Young award is for wins, not ERA. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Wilbon |
rogers park bryan wrote: FavreFan wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: He's right. Analytics are ruining baseball. Just a ridiculous thought. Not at all. It's a pretty widely held belief and it's not invalid. I'd say it's comparable to those who say three point shooting is ruining the NBA. I don't agree but I recognize it's a valid take. It's absolutely ridiculous regardless of how many believe it. I guess I just don't understand how you're coming to that conclusion. It's like saying it's ridiculous to like baseball or basketball. It's completely subjective. People have aesthetic preferences when watching sports. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Wilbon |
FavreFan wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: FavreFan wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: He's right. Analytics are ruining baseball. Just a ridiculous thought. Not at all. It's a pretty widely held belief and it's not invalid. I'd say it's comparable to those who say three point shooting is ruining the NBA. I don't agree but I recognize it's a valid take. It's absolutely ridiculous regardless of how many believe it. I guess I just don't understand how you're coming to that conclusion. It's like saying it's ridiculous to like baseball or basketball. It's completely subjective. People have aesthetic preferences when watching sports. God, you're stupid. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Wilbon |
rogers park bryan wrote: FavreFan wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: FavreFan wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: He's right. Analytics are ruining baseball. Just a ridiculous thought. Not at all. It's a pretty widely held belief and it's not invalid. I'd say it's comparable to those who say three point shooting is ruining the NBA. I don't agree but I recognize it's a valid take. It's absolutely ridiculous regardless of how many believe it. I guess I just don't understand how you're coming to that conclusion. It's like saying it's ridiculous to like baseball or basketball. It's completely subjective. People have aesthetic preferences when watching sports. God, you're stupid. MANY agree |
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| Author: | Brick [ Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Wilbon |
I don't know about you, but the only basketball worth watching is NBA summer league. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Wilbon |
I guess he lives in the "you play to WIN the game" world a little too much for some. At some point the "analytics" are going to make the Cy Young completely irrelevant. At least Blake Snell had the decency to win much more than he lost. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Wilbon |
DeGrom was over .500. I want to be on the internet the day after a guy wins Cy Young after going 3-14 with a 1.34 ERA |
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| Author: | leashyourkids [ Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Wilbon |
Advanced analytics are a good thing. The people who are dogmatic about them are a bad thing. It's okay to be aware of context and to appreciate sentient beings. |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Wilbon |
leashyourkids wrote: Advanced analytics are a good thing. The people who are dogmatic about them are a bad thing. It's okay to be aware of context and to appreciate sentient beings. Correct. |
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| Author: | Zippy-The-Pinhead [ Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mike Wilbon |
W_Z wrote: The Cy Young award is for wins, not ERA. So a reliever should never win the award?
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