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On Mulli and Haugh just now: By Machado going with the Padres offer, he wasn't betting on himself.

Who you crappin' Bruce?!

More guaranteed money and an opt out after five to go get more money IS betting on himself. WTF?!

GoldenJet wrote:

ya, it's convenient how the opt-out is being ignored. that's the definition of betting on YOURSELF

Yes, I think the opt-out, which the Sox refused to give, was a big part of his decision. And Mully was right to question Levine on why a player would choose to include team-controlled incentives. Levine tried to counter with some pablum about the Sox wanting to know he would "go to the post" every day, when it's the opposite--assuming he would be in decline like every other player by year 9, the team would almost certainly limit his ability to get to 550 PA to avoid triggering the $35m.

Jaw Breaker wrote:

Just for reference, Jose Abreu had two DL stints last year and still had 553 PAs over 128 games. That amount of PA's in a league where he can DH at least some of the time is not a crazy high amount.

Kyle Schwarber, who was cherry picked and put into only the very best lineup situations for his own benefit, had 510 PAs last season.

He sounded like an idiot.

Kyle Schwarber, who was cherry picked and put into only the very best lineup situations for his own benefit, had 510 PAs last season.

He sounded like an idiot.

Another Bruce quote " Players should be on one year deals.".

Peoria Matt wrote:

Another Bruce quote " Players should be on one year deals.".

do guys like levine sign contracts like on-air talent or are they at-will employees?

Kirkwood wrote:

Peoria Matt wrote:

Another Bruce quote " Players should be on one year deals.".

do guys like levine sign contracts like on-air talent or are they at-will employees?

They must have some sort of contract because if him and Julie were at will or employed based on their performance, they would have been GONE long ago.

He sounded like an idiot.

Author:	GoldenJet [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:10 am ]
Post subject:	Bruce Levine
On Mulli and Haugh just now: By Machado going with the Padres offer, he wasn't betting on himself. Who you crappin' Bruce?! More guaranteed money and an opt out after five to go get more money IS betting on himself. WTF?!

Author:	Kirkwood [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:13 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Bruce Levine
GoldenJet wrote: On Mulli and Haugh just now: By Machado going with the Padres offer, he wasn't betting on himself. Who you crappin' Bruce?! More guaranteed money and an opt out after five to go get more money IS betting on himself. WTF?! ya, it's convenient how the opt-out is being ignored. that's the definition of betting on YOURSELF

Author:	pittmike [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:13 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Bruce Levine
GoldenJet wrote: On Mulli and Haugh just now: By Machado going with the Padres offer, he wasn't betting on himself. Who you crappin' Bruce?! More guaranteed money and an opt out after five to go get more money IS betting on himself. WTF?! Yeah heard that. A line from Sox management to his mouth. And I am not butt hurt he didn't sign.

Author:	good dolphin [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:20 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Bruce Levine
why would you ever bet when someone else will guarantee. I'll give Bruce credit though. He isn't biased when carrying water for the management class. Cubs, Sox, Brewers...Bruce licks them all.

Author:	GoldenJet [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:24 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Bruce Levine
Not including an opt out essentially makes the offer a "non-offer". What a waste of time.

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Author:	Jaw Breaker [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:30 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Bruce Levine
Kirkwood wrote: GoldenJet wrote: On Mulli and Haugh just now: By Machado going with the Padres offer, he wasn't betting on himself. Who you crappin' Bruce?! More guaranteed money and an opt out after five to go get more money IS betting on himself. WTF?! ya, it's convenient how the opt-out is being ignored. that's the definition of betting on YOURSELF Yes, I think the opt-out, which the Sox refused to give, was a big part of his decision. And Mully was right to question Levine on why a player would choose to include team-controlled incentives. Levine tried to counter with some pablum about the Sox wanting to know he would "go to the post" every day, when it's the opposite--assuming he would be in decline like every other player by year 9, the team would almost certainly limit his ability to get to 550 PA to avoid triggering the $35m.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:38 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Bruce Levine
Jaw Breaker wrote: Yes, I think the opt-out, which the Sox refused to give, was a big part of his decision. And Mully was right to question Levine on why a player would choose to include team-controlled incentives. Levine tried to counter with some pablum about the Sox wanting to know he would "go to the post" every day, when it's the opposite--assuming he would be in decline like every other player by year 9, the team would almost certainly limit his ability to get to 550 PA to avoid triggering the $35m. Just for reference, Jose Abreu had two DL stints last year and still had 553 PAs over 128 games. That amount of PA's in a league where he can DH at least some of the time is not a crazy high amount. Kyle Schwarber, who was cherry picked and put into only the very best lineup situations for his own benefit, had 510 PAs last season.

Author:	Franky T [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:47 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Bruce Levine
He sounded like an idiot.

Author:	GoldenJet [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:54 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Bruce Levine
Frank Coztansa wrote: Jaw Breaker wrote: Yes, I think the opt-out, which the Sox refused to give, was a big part of his decision. And Mully was right to question Levine on why a player would choose to include team-controlled incentives. Levine tried to counter with some pablum about the Sox wanting to know he would "go to the post" every day, when it's the opposite--assuming he would be in decline like every other player by year 9, the team would almost certainly limit his ability to get to 550 PA to avoid triggering the $35m. Just for reference, Jose Abreu had two DL stints last year and still had 553 PAs over 128 games. That amount of PA's in a league where he can DH at least some of the time is not a crazy high amount. Kyle Schwarber, who was cherry picked and put into only the very best lineup situations for his own benefit, had 510 PAs last season. So what, $50mil more money guaranteed isn't chump change. I'm curious what the first 5 years of each deal looked like. Total AAV doesn't really matter when there's an opt out.

Author:	Peoria Matt [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:58 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Bruce Levine
Franky T wrote: He sounded like an idiot. Yes. And he has sounded like this all off season. " How much money is enough?" was another Bruce quote.

Author:	rogers park bryan [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:59 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Bruce Levine
Frank Coztansa wrote: Kyle Schwarber, who was cherry picked and put into only the very best lineup situations for his own benefit, had 510 PAs last season. This is overstating it quite a bit. He started 75% of games.

Author:	Peoria Matt [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:03 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Bruce Levine
Another Bruce quote " Players should be on one year deals.".

Author:	good dolphin [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:03 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Bruce Levine
Franky T wrote: He sounded like an idiot. Did he call JR "Mr. Reinsdorf"? I love when Bruce openly genuflects for management.

Author:	Kirkwood [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:06 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Bruce Levine
Peoria Matt wrote: Another Bruce quote " Players should be on one year deals.". do guys like levine sign contracts like on-air talent or are they at-will employees?

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Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:32 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Bruce Levine
Kirkwood wrote: Peoria Matt wrote: Another Bruce quote " Players should be on one year deals.". do guys like levine sign contracts like on-air talent or are they at-will employees? They must have some sort of contract because if him and Julie were at will or employed based on their performance, they would have been GONE long ago.

Author:	good dolphin [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:34 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Bruce Levine
Frank Coztansa wrote: Kirkwood wrote: Peoria Matt wrote: Another Bruce quote " Players should be on one year deals.". do guys like levine sign contracts like on-air talent or are they at-will employees? They must have some sort of contract because if him and Julie were at will or employed based on their performance, they would have been GONE long ago. One time I was required to do some research on internal files at a radio station and they inadvertently included Les' contract among the documents.

Author:	Seacrest [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:00 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Bruce Levine
Franky T wrote: He sounded like an idiot. He usually does.