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 Post subject: Bruce Levine
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:10 am 
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On Mulli and Haugh just now: By Machado going with the Padres offer, he wasn't betting on himself.

Who you crappin' Bruce?!

More guaranteed money and an opt out after five to go get more money IS betting on himself. WTF?!

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 Post subject: Re: Bruce Levine
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On Mulli and Haugh just now: By Machado going with the Padres offer, he wasn't betting on himself.

Who you crappin' Bruce?!

More guaranteed money and an opt out after five to go get more money IS betting on himself. WTF?!

ya, it's convenient how the opt-out is being ignored. that's the definition of betting on YOURSELF


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 Post subject: Re: Bruce Levine
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On Mulli and Haugh just now: By Machado going with the Padres offer, he wasn't betting on himself.

Who you crappin' Bruce?!

More guaranteed money and an opt out after five to go get more money IS betting on himself. WTF?!


Yeah heard that. A line from Sox management to his mouth. And I am not butt hurt he didn't sign.

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 Post subject: Re: Bruce Levine
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why would you ever bet when someone else will guarantee.

I'll give Bruce credit though. He isn't biased when carrying water for the management class. Cubs, Sox, Brewers...Bruce licks them all.

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 Post subject: Re: Bruce Levine
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Not including an opt out essentially makes the offer a "non-offer". What a waste of time.

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 Post subject: Re: Bruce Levine
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Kirkwood wrote:
GoldenJet wrote:
On Mulli and Haugh just now: By Machado going with the Padres offer, he wasn't betting on himself.

Who you crappin' Bruce?!

More guaranteed money and an opt out after five to go get more money IS betting on himself. WTF?!

ya, it's convenient how the opt-out is being ignored. that's the definition of betting on YOURSELF


Yes, I think the opt-out, which the Sox refused to give, was a big part of his decision. And Mully was right to question Levine on why a player would choose to include team-controlled incentives. Levine tried to counter with some pablum about the Sox wanting to know he would "go to the post" every day, when it's the opposite--assuming he would be in decline like every other player by year 9, the team would almost certainly limit his ability to get to 550 PA to avoid triggering the $35m.

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 Post subject: Re: Bruce Levine
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Yes, I think the opt-out, which the Sox refused to give, was a big part of his decision. And Mully was right to question Levine on why a player would choose to include team-controlled incentives. Levine tried to counter with some pablum about the Sox wanting to know he would "go to the post" every day, when it's the opposite--assuming he would be in decline like every other player by year 9, the team would almost certainly limit his ability to get to 550 PA to avoid triggering the $35m.
Just for reference, Jose Abreu had two DL stints last year and still had 553 PAs over 128 games. That amount of PA's in a league where he can DH at least some of the time is not a crazy high amount.

Kyle Schwarber, who was cherry picked and put into only the very best lineup situations for his own benefit, had 510 PAs last season.

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 Post subject: Re: Bruce Levine
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He sounded like an idiot.

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 Post subject: Re: Bruce Levine
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Jaw Breaker wrote:
Yes, I think the opt-out, which the Sox refused to give, was a big part of his decision. And Mully was right to question Levine on why a player would choose to include team-controlled incentives. Levine tried to counter with some pablum about the Sox wanting to know he would "go to the post" every day, when it's the opposite--assuming he would be in decline like every other player by year 9, the team would almost certainly limit his ability to get to 550 PA to avoid triggering the $35m.
Just for reference, Jose Abreu had two DL stints last year and still had 553 PAs over 128 games. That amount of PA's in a league where he can DH at least some of the time is not a crazy high amount.

Kyle Schwarber, who was cherry picked and put into only the very best lineup situations for his own benefit, had 510 PAs last season.


So what, $50mil more money guaranteed isn't chump change.

I'm curious what the first 5 years of each deal looked like. Total AAV doesn't really matter when there's an opt out.

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 Post subject: Re: Bruce Levine
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Franky T wrote:
He sounded like an idiot.


Yes. And he has sounded like this all off season. " How much money is enough?" was another Bruce quote.


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 Post subject: Re: Bruce Levine
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Frank Coztansa wrote:

Kyle Schwarber, who was cherry picked and put into only the very best lineup situations for his own benefit, had 510 PAs last season.

This is overstating it quite a bit. He started 75% of games.


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Another Bruce quote " Players should be on one year deals.".


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 Post subject: Re: Bruce Levine
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Franky T wrote:
He sounded like an idiot.


Did he call JR "Mr. Reinsdorf"? I love when Bruce openly genuflects for management.

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 Post subject: Re: Bruce Levine
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Peoria Matt wrote:
Another Bruce quote " Players should be on one year deals.".

do guys like levine sign contracts like on-air talent or are they at-will employees?


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 Post subject: Re: Bruce Levine
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Kirkwood wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
Another Bruce quote " Players should be on one year deals.".

do guys like levine sign contracts like on-air talent or are they at-will employees?
They must have some sort of contract because if him and Julie were at will or employed based on their performance, they would have been GONE long ago.

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 Post subject: Re: Bruce Levine
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
Another Bruce quote " Players should be on one year deals.".

do guys like levine sign contracts like on-air talent or are they at-will employees?
They must have some sort of contract because if him and Julie were at will or employed based on their performance, they would have been GONE long ago.


One time I was required to do some research on internal files at a radio station and they inadvertently included Les' contract among the documents.

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 Post subject: Re: Bruce Levine
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Franky T wrote:
He sounded like an idiot.


He usually does.

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