I thought FR24 had limited coverage and perhaps only three minutes of the flight?

FR24 has the first 3 minutes of the flight but not the final 3. (it was a 6 minute flight)

It is an incomplete picture of course. From what we can see, the aircraft was definitely overspeeding for its altitude.

We know the Lion Air flight was brought down by a faulty AoA sensor. I'm wondering (and this is just a theory) if the pilot had incorrect altitude readings being fed to him. It would explain why he would be greatly exceeding 250 knots below 10,000 feet.

Honest question. Does the speed at that altitude put too much stress on the airframe?

I really hope that they explain the whys and what fors on this. But the corporate news channels likely won't allow it.

We'll have to wait for the investigation to know what went wrong, but it doesn't look good for the 737 Max 8.

While Boeing has been dominating the wide body market, the opposite is true of the narrow body market. They really screwed up when they canceled the 757 rather than re-engined it just before airlines discovered that a 757 or A-321 is the perfect option for point-to-point transatlantic flights between medium sized destinations.

Even before launch, I couldn't help but feel Boeing was making a mistake unleashing a 4th generation of their venerable 737 jet, one which still has the same exact 148 inch fuselage width and low ground clearance that they had in the 1960s. You can only do so much with those constraints. They needed an entirely new design with this generation and sticking with the 737 will cost them.

even though this one is returning to the skies, the plane is forever tarred. Time for Boeing to just acknowledge this plane is a failure and start designing a new single aisle airliner that can at various lengths cover the 160-250 seat market. That's what they should have done and had originally planned to do around the time they launched the 787. Until they do that, the A320neo has won this generation for narrow bodies.

Even without these crashes the Max was going to fall short as it was never going to have a model that could match the A321LR in range, seating, and performance

Yeah, the design is flawed, and I don't care how much software they installed to correct, I'll never fly on it.

Yeah, the design is flawed, and I don't care how much software they installed to correct, I'll never fly on it.

Another incident with the Max would likely spell the end for Boeing commercial, right?

People still have trust in their wide bodies. Boeing still has an edge over Airbus there. I don't know if confidence in the Max has much room to go lower though.

They really do need to start completely over on their narrow body line as they cannot just keep re-engining the 737. The NG was the last feasible go around for that and Boeing should have stuck with their plan from 10-15 years ago to replace the 737 entirely.

i had no idea how bad this was. the MAX was clearly a corporate failure, stemming from greed to outright incompetency.

makes me wonder how many engineers tried sounding alarms but were forced to keep quiet. Boeing SHOULD be obliterated for this plane... this is god-awful from an engineering perspective, and also from a business perspective.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/aerospace/avi ... -developer

I seem to remember Airbus having a bad run with the glass cockpits and still managed to stay in business.

The 737 itself had a few issues with the tail a few decades back but survived. People have short memories and don’t pay attention to this stuff anyway. Anyone remember Valujet? After a couple of crashes they were smart enough to change their name. Air Tran went on like nothing ever happened.